All Adobe CC applications now available for download…as of 11:50PM EST

Mike Harvey said:
Just a heads up... Adobe Encore is effectively discontinued and not included with Premiere CC, so don't uninstall it. Otherwise, you'll be forced to re-download and install Premiere CS6 in order to have a DVD/BD program. (I found out the hard way)
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Not updated is not the same as discontinued. Do we have official confirmation it is discontinued? Many times in the past Adobe has released new packages where one of two apps have not seen any updates. Since there isn't a lot more to be added to a program for disc authoring it makes sense to skip it. What is annoying however is if it doesn't install Encore CS6 when Premiere CC is installed. It might just be an oversight.
 
Anyone know if After Effects CC includes anything new and special? Does it still have Mocha, Synthetic Aperture, does it work with CS6 plugins and/or filters?
 
Thomas Smet said:
Not updated is not the same as discontinued. Do we have official confirmation it is discontinued? Many times in the past Adobe has released new packages where one of two apps have not seen any updates. Since there isn't a lot more to be added to a program for disc authoring it makes sense to skip it. What is annoying however is if it doesn't install Encore CS6 when Premiere CC is installed. It might just be an oversight.
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Encore CS6 is the final release. From it's FAQ page.

http://www.adobe.com/products/encore/faq.html
 
KyleProhaska said:
Download the QT Codecs package that includes Prores on your Mac, download a program called Unpkg. Unpkg the Codec .dmg...drag all the codec files into Library/Quicktime and BOOM...Prores in Adobe. No need to have an Apple Product.
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Good tip, thank you. Initially though I was referring more to windows machines where 5DtoRGB can still output a ProRes file but Premiere and After Effects cannot.
 
Thomas Smet said:
Thanks. Bummer
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No problem. And I agree with Roxics... the cloud and digital distribution may be the future, but many of my clients are living in the present and still want DVD's of stuff today. At least including an un-updated version of Encore with CC would have been nice.
 
starcentral said:
Anyone know if After Effects CC includes anything new and special? Does it still have Mocha, Synthetic Aperture, does it work with CS6 plugins and/or filters?
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New: Cinema 4D Cinaware. Yes, still has Mocha and synthetic aperture. New version of warp stabilizer looks da bomb.
 
Encore has always been sort of an after thought for Adobe. It is a third party application. Maybe they have plans to make their own authoring app, and maybe they will do it right this time. (I gave up at CS5) It would ultra foolish to think the need for DVD or Blu-ray creation is not important to users. If so, Adobe has their head in more than just the cloud...
 
Mike Harvey said:
Encore CS6 is the final release. From it's FAQ page.

http://www.adobe.com/products/encore/faq.html
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OKAY -- JUST GOT TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS -- YES, YOU CAN INSTALL ENCORE CS6 AND HAVE IT WORK WITH PREMIERE CC.

Sign in to your CC account and go here: https://creative.adobe.com/products/premiere

Scroll down an you'll see in large text "In This Version." Directly beneath that is a drop down menu. Select CS6.

Install Premiere Pro CS6.

Then follow the instructions at: http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/2013/05/using-encore-cs6-with-premierepro-cc.html

Yes, this is BS and there should be a version of Encore in CC -- but -- in theory this works. In theory.
 
Regarding other comments in this thread -- at full price the Adobe CC is $600 per year (installed on 2 computers), or, $900 for the traditional 18 month CS cycle. Buying the complete "Master" CS was $2500, and I think (from memory) upgrades to new versions ran about a thousand dollars. So -- you can screw with the numbers to make this new CC more expensive -- but -- you need to screw with the numbers and come up with a scenario in which you didn't upgrade and used an older version for some time or entirely skipped an upgrade. Meaning -- this CC scheme has not entirely raised prices.

I'm not in love with this CC thing -- but -- I'm also not mindlessly bashing it and slamming the door like a teenage girl and declaring it awful. This CC isn't a single "app," it's a comprehensive media production solution that covers almost all current forms of media -- and all the "apps" integrate with one another.

And, if you're in the media production business it should pay for itself -- even if you're a lazy guy.

As has been mentioned -- yes -- you can use ProRes with Premiere Pro -- and I think that goes back to CS3 or CS2. And since that's news to someone -- I'll also let you know that you can also import both Final Cut Pro and Avid projects into Premiere -- and export both FCP and Avid projects from Premiere.
 
Andrew Gupta said:
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I'm not in love with this CC thing -- but -- I'm also not mindlessly bashing it and slamming the door like a teenage girl and declaring it awful. This CC isn't a single "app," it's a comprehensive media production solution that covers almost all current forms of media -- and all the "apps" integrate with one another.
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I'm the consumer, and that cloud crap is not how I want to consume their product. If I walk away from my computer for a year, I expect all the software to be on it as I left it when I return, and not have to run my credit card just to get things going again. It's also the psychological thing of "just one more $#$$ing monthly bill". Just how many monthly bills do I need? If Adobe says this is cheaper in the cloud, fine let me pay more the old way. Why do they have an objection to making more money off the old business plan? It's up to the business to serve the customers how they want to be served, and not tell them this is how it's going to be.

I've already got Verizon trying to rape me for $150 a month just to add a text, talk & data plan to a couple of Smart phones I'm considering. Really, paying a monthly fee for Adobe to just sit there on my computer is too much to swallow. I'll upgrade when I see a benefit to it. If that makes me a teenage girl ..... well then, dream come true. .... :-)
 
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f64manray said:
I'm the consumer, and that cloud crap is not how I want to consume their product. If I walk away from my computer for a year, I expect all the software to be on it as I left it when I return, and not have to run my credit card just to get things going again.
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Well, I'm also the consumer and this is exactly how I would like to consume their product. I don't walk away for a year, I use Adobe products every single day and I need them to be completely up to date.
 
roxics said:
Good tip, thank you. Initially though I was referring more to windows machines where 5DtoRGB can still output a ProRes file but Premiere and After Effects cannot.
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I guess they either licensed it from Apple, or integrated it via something like FFMBC. Adobe would have to license it though, I don't think Apple would let them hack it in. (Adobe did license DNxHD MXF in Premiere CC) I prefer to blame Apple though, especially because I still have gamma issues with Quicktime.
 
Bassman2003 said:
Encore has always been sort of an after thought for Adobe. It is a third party application. Maybe they have plans to make their own authoring app, and maybe they will do it right this time. (I gave up at CS5) It would ultra foolish to think the need for DVD or Blu-ray creation is not important to users. If so, Adobe has their head in more than just the cloud...
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They say in the FAQ they don't feel it's worth their time anymore, as the cloud and digital distribution are where the future is leading. They make it available still in CS6 (as I found out the hard way), but it's no longer going to be updated/improved upon or even be offered in CC. Period.

Digital distribution may be the wave of the future, but I just had to hand off a DVD demo to an event planner this afternoon. I don't see that changing for another five years.
 
Andrew Gupta said:
Regarding other comments in this thread -- at full price the Adobe CC is $600 per year (installed on 2 computers), or, $900 for the traditional 18 month CS cycle. Buying the complete "Master" CS was $2500, and I think (from memory) upgrades to new versions ran about a thousand dollars. So -- you can screw with the numbers to make this new CC more expensive -- but -- you need to screw with the numbers and come up with a scenario in which you didn't upgrade and used an older version for some time or entirely skipped an upgrade. Meaning -- this CC scheme has not entirely raised prices.

I'm not in love with this CC thing -- but -- I'm also not mindlessly bashing it and slamming the door like a teenage girl and declaring it awful
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Mindlessly bashing? I haven't seen a ton of that. My first post in this thread but my exact problem is how the numbers break out. It basically forces you into Adobe's constant upgrade cycle, and for me and many others the "in between" cycles (4.5, 5.5) haven't been worth it. Adobe KNOWS that and clearly feels not enough people are paying for their .5 updates. And skipping a version (i.e. upgrading CS5 to CS6 hasn't really costed more than going from 5.5 to 6).

Calling it "cloud" is deceiving. There is nothing cloud based about this. You download the apps, install them, and get 20gb of free cloud storage space. Big whoop I get that with google drive or dropbox, etc. These aren't cloud apps to be locally installed or accessed in browser from any computer in the world or some big cloud service. Calling it cloud just sounds better than "Adobe Creative Subscription". No longer can I buy CS6 and upgrade when the feature set adds something beneficial to MY workflow. I'm forced to pay for every software update they release for no added value to myself.

That's what has people ticked at the model. And of course, there's no longer any resale value on the software. I can't totally argue with this one since the industry as a whole hates used software sales and is trying to move away from that, but selling old software to someone young on a budget who has a conscious enough not to pirate it has always been a good way to recoup some costs for those who can make due just fine with 3 year old software.
 
I like it for two reasons.

1. It makes it more affordable for people who can't drop $2500 all at once on master collection.

2. We use CS at work and we all have subscriptions now. Before that, some people were on CS4, some on CS5 and some still on CS3. It was a compatibility nightmare. Now we all have the same version.

The only drawback is that $50 a month is a lot of money for someone who doesn't use it every day at home. Take me for instance. I use it every day at work. So I'm used to it. I know the apps and continue to learn to use them better. So when I go home and want to edit some photos or a video or make some graphics for a personal website I want to use the apps I know. But I may only open photoshop at home once or twice a week. I may open premiere at home once a month. So paying $50 a month for a home subscription is too much for me to justify.

I'd prefer Adobe added a time based subscription for people like me. Like paying $5 for every 10 hours of use no matter the combination of apps I use. I could use photoshop for 10 hours or split that time betwene photoshop, lightroom, premiere and after effects. I probably use no more than 20 hours a month of these apps at home. I would readily pay $10 a month for 20 hours of use. They can still keep their $50 a month unlimited plan and $20 a month unlimited per app plan. This would just be an alternative for people who don't need unlimited use.

Some have said I should just use my second install from my work subscription on my home machine, but my boss won't allow that. They get weird about stuff like that at my work.
 
I told you so....

Keeping a program from calling home once a month, seems to be a pretty easy task for folks, that are able to trick software into thinking there is a dongle present, while there is no frigging dongle anywhere.

It's difficult to imagine that Adobe didn't know this was going to happen.
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