AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder

While all of this is going on I'm looking back at my options with Sony. This guy posted some sweet looking footage and a review of the FDR AX1 that was posted back in April of 2014. I would be more than happy getting footage like this right out of the gate. The DVX200 has been released over a year after this footage was posted and we've seen nothing like this out of the DVX200. He doesn't mention anything about grading in his blog post but I suspect that there had to be some.

Test Footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW2Xq1dS_x8

Review
http://heilbron.com/sony-4k-video-camera-fdr-ax1/

Like I mentioned earlier, I'm not sure that the DVX200's engine is capable of working with the image sensor to provide something like this. This guy does mention, "Thanks to Cliff Lavalee, who helped me understand the paint menu's pro settings". I take it that Cliff is with Sony Canada. I wonder if there is a Cliff Lavalee at Panasonic that's willing to speak up?

Don't forget the Z100 from Sony, which is the 'pro' version of the ax1. A nightmare in low light apparantly but still gives a nice picture from footage I've seen.

I so wanted to like the dvx200, I even had a pre-order at one point. But the sony FS5 launch video sold me on picture quality more than 'a day of life' did. Needless to say I changed my pre-order.
 
Don't forget the Z100 from Sony, which is the 'pro' version of the ax1. A nightmare in low light apparantly but still gives a nice picture from footage I've seen.

I so wanted to like the dvx200, I even had a pre-order at one point. But the sony FS5 launch video sold me on picture quality more than 'a day of life' did. Needless to say I changed my pre-order.

Like thenFS5 too, but you have to change lenses or buy an expensive zoom to get going. And the media is expensive too..so compared to the dVX200 there are still some things to consider. I understand your arguments for choosing the FS5, but I still think it is to soon to absolutely rule out the DVX200. Time will show. Maybe the DVX200 will shine a little more some day...hopefully before christmas...
 
That's nice looking footage. I wish I could get that with the DVX200. I would miss the waveform monitor, and what the heck, no exposure meter. What's going on with these manufacturers?
 
Hi Guys,

After all the doomsday stuff here, let me show you 4 stills taken from two concerts in the same hall one week apart.

The 1st concert was a week ago, with the original firmware. Concert 1 No 1 Note the faces in the back blowing out red and orange. unavoidable.

Concert 1 No 2. the scene IS very red, with red background and red LEDs on stage, but look at the girl at the back left, she is wearing a red dress, not orange.

Now the new firmware, concert 2, shots three and four, no blown out faces, no overhot reds even under keylights, and all the dresses in number 4, the last photo, are correct colours.

The ONLY colour I couldn't get properly all night was royal blue, it was washed out to a muddy light blue, even running the WB from 2K through to 8K didn't help.

But my point is remarkable progress has been make with the firmware upgrade. I am VERY happy with the concerts I filmed this weekend, skin tones were great, and before the photos get analysed to death, let me just tell you that I do record with the master pedestal at either +1 or +2, depending how dark the hall stage is, as I like to pick up all detail from the dancers on the edge of stage and take the blacks back down in post if I have to. Also Concert 2 had continuous smoke wafting over the stage all concert, so taking the blacks down in post also helps clear the fog. IMHO it is a beautiful clean image in concert 2, no noisy blacks as has been alluded to in last few pages of this post. One other concert I did this weekend was in a VERY dark school hall, and that footage is better than I ever shot with our AG-AC130/160s. Filmed on FHD 50Mps.
 

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I completely agree that there is a difference between 1.0 and 1.25 based on what you have posted. Tell us a little more about if you were shooting a scene file or V-log and briefly what you have done in post. Also, if it was a scene file did you make any modifications to it?
 
Hi guys, here is some unlisted footage that I posted on You Tube from me goofing off with the DVX200 yesterday. I'll leave this up for a few days. Settings were 1920x1080 in Auto, all handheld with OIS on. Firmware 1.25. I'm not trying to win any prizes for composition or subject matter, these are just to show various results when letting the camera do the work. I noticed a few spelling errors in my titles but it's more about getting some footage out there.

First part is all done in V-log with V709 Lut applied. Any grading is noted with the image. All of the footage from the backyard was shot though a glass door. When I go in full zoom on the deer I notice that its blurry in the center of the frame. Not sure if that's the OIS working overtime or some other problem. I need to test that from a tripod. All scene files seem to have problems with the sky. Note the purple and green in the bottom of the flag. I was actually impressed by the color in the quick scene of the truck, it was spot on and that was only with the Lut applied and no other correction.

https://youtu.be/oLyFC0Sj3Po
 
[QUOTE Tell us a little more about if you were shooting a scene file][/QUOTE]

It was scene file 1, Master Detail +4, Detail Coring 1, Skin Tone Detail ON, V Detail +3, Knee Ape Level 2, Chroma Level +2, Chroma Phase +2, Matrix Cine Like, colour correction R -1, Master pedestal +1, Gamma HD, Black Gamma 0, B G Range 1, Knee AUTO, Knee Master Point 86.5, K M Slope 52, DRS ON, DRS effect 1, Everything else OFF. That's about it. NO POST. Stills straight off timeline.

I also just tried out a 256 GB card in it and it shows up straight away.....will give me 3hrs 49mins @ UHD 50 fps. I can do a concert with that!!!!

Cheers,

Vaughan
 
Since the DVX200 is marketed as a "run and gun camera" what can one expect from a typical run and gun situation...running to a news story, no time to set white balance, so relying on AWB. Should the camera work okay?
Of course.

Should the colors be in the ball park?
Of course, just like you'd expect with any other camera. And the DVX200's are.

Can you trust this camera to produce decent video on the fly, and look just as good as Panasonic;s $800 point and shoot cameras?[/quote]
Of course. You should expect it to do better than an $800 point-and-shoot (with the obvious exceptions that it's not going to have some consumer-oriented features like face recognition or whatever).
 
Guess you will have to mKe some scenefiles yourself. Nobody seems to know whats going on tight now?
What is there not to know? There are six scene files pre-programmed into the camera. Choose one you like. If you don't see one you like, modify them more to your liking. Or ask around if anyone else has developed any scene files for you to try. This is no different than it's been since the original DVX100 came out in 2003.

Or does anyone knows if things are happening behind the scene?
Things are always happening behind the scenes.
 
I'm kind of hoping someone in the know will chime in and calm our fears about what is going on. Barry whom appears to be the only insider on here has been silent for the last few days.
Okay, look -- I'm writing this from a hotel room in the middle of absolutely nowhere, no cell service, on a job. I'm not "silent", I'm working, and simply do not have access to the camera, video clips, or anything else, nor do I have time to address a whole lot of fears or whatever. My call time is 3:15 a.m. I'll do what I can, but there is no "grand conspiracy" or "going silent" or whatever!
 
Nick Driftwood has the camera and said in the comments of a video he would do side by side with GH4 footage. Been three weeks and he hasn't followed through so maybe he's busy or didn't like the results and is waiting on Panasonic.
Or maybe he is actually, you know, working? Having a day job, etc? Maybe he doesn't have endless quantities of time to produce comparisons? Maybe he'll get to it when he can? Maybe his GH4 is rented out, or his DVX200 is, or ... a whole lot of potential things.

I've been trying to get ahold of a GH4 for several weeks now. I should finally have one next week and will try to do some comparison scene files.

Has the highlight roll-off issue improved with the new firmware?
The case of skin tones turning yellow and getting a glowing yellow highlight around grossly overexposed hotspots has been greatly improved.
 
I agree. A few comments from Barry to calm our fears would be quite nice right now...
I think the biggest problem with that is -- I don't see anything to be "scared" of. Why are there "fears" at all? Sheesh, again, I point out that I put up an "accurate" scene file against a DVX200 "stock" scene file, and most people preferred the stock scene file, and at least one said that it was "greatly improved"...

I've said that when I get the chance, I will be trying to make some scene files that match the GH4. I should have a GH4 next week, if the loaner I arranged comes through. In the meantime, the camera has immense power to manipulate the image any which way, some experimentation should be able to get you the look you want.

Frankly, I don't even know where the goal post is that some folks seem to want me to chase. I give you a scene file that puts every color in exactly the perfect spot on a vectorscope, and someone responds with "maybe we should file a class action lawsuit." Really? It's mind-boggling. It's a good thing I'm not a manufacturer, as I know how I'd respond to that. Then again, to be fair, my call time last night was 11:30 p.m., an I had a 16-hour day today, so I may be a little grumpy.
 
When you get those kinds of perks the last thing that you want to do is give a review such as this camera deserves at this point in time. You simply review features and amenities while getting into the dirty parts.
With apologies for the aforementioned grumpiness...

You're saying that guys like Matt Allard, who reviewed absolutely everything there was to review about the camera, in a six-part review, was somehow "paid off" or whatever? This is mind-boggling to me. This guy tested everything intensely, posted all the results, and came to some positive conclusions. The camera that's shipping today is delivering significantly better imagery than the version that he reviewed... and you're saying that this version is "unacceptable" and that guys like him "avoided the dirty parts" or whatever... seriously, I cannot connect with this.

Look -- what exactly is it that you're finding so unacceptable? And if it's unacceptable, just return it and be done...
 
I'd be more hopeful if I could be assured that whatever is wrong with this camera
And what exactly is it that you find to be "whatever is wrong with this camera"? I don't want to go chasing red herrings. Tell me exactly what it is that you're seeing, and contrast it to how some other camera performs that you think the DVX200 should be doing. You show me a side-by-side, in controlled environments (not some youtube shot by somebody else) as to what it's doing "wrong", and I'll try to figure out what's happening and how to fix it.
 
I was expecting it to solve the main issue that everyone was seeing.
And what, specifically and in detail, is that "main issue" that "everyone" is seeing? I'm not being mocking, I'm saying that I don't really know what it is that you're talking about, so if you spell it out clearly in such a way that I can duplicate it, and show me an example of another camera in the exact same scenario that does it "right", then I can maybe try to figure out what the problem is.

If I had a scene file within the next few days that got me close to where I wanted to be, I would hold out quietly for up and coming advancements.
If I knew specifically what the issue was, maybe I could do that. I am on this current job through Wednesday, so Friday is probably the earliest that I could take a stab at whatever it is that you want done. But I need very specific examples, and ideally examples from a readily-available camera so I can put them side-by-side in the same light and see what the differences are and try to make whatever changes may be necessary.
 
if the noiselevel in this test is trustable, it looks like the latest firmware is more noisy than the old one from iso 1000 and above....
Can't see it, don't know what you're referring to, but that sounds absolutely impossible. The image is much cleaned up in the new firmware.
 
If this is the case, why wasn't this in the marketing materials or any of the free reviews that never mentioned scene files or the strange omission of an exposure meter? I have not seen one review that raised any of these issues, making me wonder about the experience of the reviewers.
Really? Look -- first, there are six scene files in the camera already. Second, if I'm not mistaken, there has never been an "exposure meter" in any Panasonic professional camera, ever, except the AF100. So is it a "strange omission" that it's not in the DVX200? Or, as the evidence indicates, was it more a case of a "strange inclusion" that they put it in the AF100? If you want an exposure meter, why not just turn on the histogram? Seriously... you're questioning the reviewer's experience level? I'm so not on the same page with you on things like this.
 
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