AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder
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In the old convention, D = standard def. V = DV tape. X = 24p. H = Hi-Def. P = P2.
So the name doesn't actually make sense, but they're obviously banking on the good will of the association with the DVX100. Seems to be working, too.
It also seems to be saying that Panasonic doesn't think the HVX or AF100 have any lasting reputation. I understanding building on a brand, but it also seems like they're saying their other cameras sucked (which they didn't when they were released).
Still, for the buzz it's getting, you're right, it seems to be working.
I'm not so sure THAT'S true. They could only give the thing one name. I don't think they're slighting any other camera.
But I wouldn't put the AF100 in the same category as the DVX100 or the HVX200. The latter two were revolutions, and blew away all the other camers in their classes, because they were the first to offer revolutionary things. The AF100, not so much. Which isn't to say the AF100 wasn't a good camera, only that it never held the same place of esteem, and didn't bring anything particularly revolutionary to the market.
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thedarkhorse
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The internal codecs are the same as the GH4(8-bit 420) with 10-bit 422 coming out of the HDMI 2.0 port @ 4k60p - these are specifically mentioned in this B&H video about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfYg7b5K91w
filmguy123
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because I am like a petulant child on Christmas who was waiting for Panasonic to finally deliver what we've been asking for for about 4+ years now, and they just took a crap under the Christmas tree and wrapped it up in black and red wrapping paper. My little brother is cool with the gift, but he had plenty of presents already. So now I don't believe in Santa anymore, and while I really don't want to convert, I am now forced to turn to Kwanzaa to celebrate and buy an FS7.
So I have to vent because under all the rage, I am actually really butt hurt about how Santa did this to me. I really believed in Santa and my hopes and dreams have been crushed. Most disappointing Christmas ever, this NAB show has been.
That's why.
ATL Media Group
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I'm honestly perplexed at all the negativity... Look, Canon made the C100 and C100 MKII for around $5K at launch (MKII is $5500) without a lens, and with AVCHD, and HD only.... and they sell like HOTCAKES.. The wedding shooters eat them up.... So why wouldn't this do the same? It seems to me that if this comes in at under 5K (closer to 4K would be better) it would be a great choice for run and gun event shooters. Looks tome like a great camera for that purpose. ??
I definitely think this camera will do well with wedding and live event shooters, especially if the 5-axis stabilization and AF work well. Panasonic should have a big hit on their hands.
For the rest of us that no longer shoot with ENG cameras, this new camera does nothing for our m4/3 lens collections...
ATL Media Group
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Oh that's true.. I see this as companion to a GH4. With so many GH4 shooters out there looking for a second cam this would be a great choice.
ugafan
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the original dvx was definitely used for shooting weddings and live events. but it got its legendary reputation because of independent filmmakers. filmmakers were hoping the camera would be geared towards them and it's not. that why there is negativity.
ATL Media Group
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Ahh. yeah... I had the DVX100A because of he 24P but I used it for weddings.. I do remember all the indy filmmakers raving about it though. It brought something new which this doesn't really do. I see their point.
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filmguy123
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As a run and gun (and I think there are many like me) I have adapted and found most clients like "cinematic style" run and gun. This camera is cool for what it is. Without interchangeable lens you lose an entire artistic canvas, and for those who have become fast at manual focus, not having access to faster manual lenses (or my entire M43 lens invest) is a non-starter.
Most negativity is not directed at DVX200 itself, just at Panasonic. I am sad about not having a better outlet for my M43 lens collection. The JVC option is appealing in paper but not impressed from what I have seen, and JVCs reputation precedes them.
I am mostly perplexed as to how much of a hit and momentum panny had with the GH4, they really should have capitalized. Honestly if they had released a killer AF200 it would have restored long term faith in the format, and I was ready to build a really robust kit - 3x more Voigtlander lenses, 2x more GH4s, and AF200, etc. That would be killer. The Gh4 would have sold even better have a matching big brother, I would assume. Now I am just questioning if I should ditch the M43 mount altogether and just jump in to S35 with the rest of the world. I think it may be time. maybe I'm alone in that, but I don't think so. A lot of people I had been talking to who had scoffed at M43 were becomign VERY interested after the hit the GH4 was.
Who knows, but this is what we've got, so... oh well.
Bassman2003
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Because Panasonic is not Canon. There is no CanonUser.com hugely successful video forum out there. We all like that Panasonic has always delivered on the engineering end. $4,500 gets you a PX270 with an awesome codec array. Seems the nuts and bolts of this approach has been taken over by the marketing team. The idea of this camera is pretty much on target to be disruptive though the specs are underwhelming from a recording point of view. The image might be fabulous like the C100, but that is yet to be seen.
Barry_Green
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Correct, it is not an AF successor. It is, basically, a large sensor 4K HVX. An events/doc camera with 4k/60p which can also do shallow-dof interviews, weddings, and TV. No rig or cage or accessories required, a proper zoom lens with superb OIS, hyperfast autofocus, built-in ND's and XLRs, and no need to buy additional lenses or deal with SLR zooms, etc.
I was unsure about this cam when I first heard about it, but branding it DVX makes it make a lot more sense.
Which means we can now confidently say that all those 16-stop AF successor rumors were, and always were, 100% pure and unadulterated horsecrap.
I was unsure about this cam when I first heard about it, but branding it DVX makes it make a lot more sense.
Which means we can now confidently say that all those 16-stop AF successor rumors were, and always were, 100% pure and unadulterated horsecrap.
philiplipetz
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Cameras are such a small part of what it cost to shoot. Time on the set is the big problem. Anything that makes that flow faster saves money. You can do that with a crew, or you can do it by simplifying equipment. I predict that one man band film shooters will use the DVX200 much more than people are predicting. It promises better IQ and sound and zooms and greater ease of use than a GH4, and people already use GH4s for microbudget films. For people who do not already have a collection of MTF lenses it is a more inexpensive solution. I have about ten lenses, but I think the workflow and IQ will save me more money (including no more rigs!) than I will loose by selling these lenses to finance a DVX200. People in my community made many films with event cameras, even old ones, and that is the only way they could budget for actors, sets and craft services. I predict this will happen with the DVX200. If you can afford more, then go ahead and make it appear on the screen.
Just saying. You don't have to agree, but a while a generation of film makers has been trained to look to DSLRs (and DSLR look alikes such as the Canon C series) that is not the only solution, nor is it always ultimately the most inexpensive. Micro budget filming is always a compromise where nothing is as good as it could be, so choose wisely.
Just saying. You don't have to agree, but a while a generation of film makers has been trained to look to DSLRs (and DSLR look alikes such as the Canon C series) that is not the only solution, nor is it always ultimately the most inexpensive. Micro budget filming is always a compromise where nothing is as good as it could be, so choose wisely.
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