AF100 Zeiss Ultra Vs Compact

accouding to Illya of Hotrodcameras the following will cover a 5D or FF35mm. I have used some of the following lenses along with my CP's on PL-5D.

Duclos 11-16mm Tokina (at 15mm-16mm only)
Zeiss Compact Primes 21mm – 85mm (6x lenses)
Zeiss Ultra Primes 32mm – 180mm (8x lenses) (**Note on at least one set the 40/50mm Ultra Primes did not cover, but on another set the 40mm and 50mm covered)
Zeiss Master Primes 50mm -150mm (5x lenses)
Cooke S4 Lenses 65mm – 300mm (7x lenses) (Please note I have every reason to believe that the longest S4 lenses cover although I have not tested longer than 180mm)
Cooke Panchro 75mm and longer (2x lenses)
Red Pro Primes 85mm and longer (2x lenses)
Zeiss Super Speed MKIII 85mm, Zeiss Standard Speed 135mm
 
Just asking...

Isn't the "Full Frame" on a 5DM2, when recording video, smaller than the "Full Frame" it uses for stills? If so, which "Full Frame" are we talking about?
 
Okay, but again -- when we say "they'll cover", do they do so in a robust enough way that it's actually a good idea to use them? If you're paying for the use of Ultra Primes or Master Primes, you want edge-to-edge performance that's every bit as good as when used on an S35 camera (which is what they were designed for). Have these cinema lenses been tested for edge-to-edge clarity when being put on a full frame camera?
 
Epic from RED is OK from 18mm ON......i know it is a bit smaller then FULL 35mm.
FULL FRAME with Master primes are OK from 35mm on ....
 
^ What do you mean.

Full Epic 5k requires a 33mm projection circle, I believe. Still considerably smaller than Full Frame size.

Most cinelenses will be optimally designed for a bit smaller than the 5k Full epic, however you'll find some people will try to stretch the numbers like we have been talking about. HOwever that will be much less than doing so for FF.
 
Barry_Green said:
It is slightly smaller. It's the same width, but cropped down from 3:2 aspect ratio down to 16:9.
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Sometimes, I delude myself into thinking I've clearly expressed my point only to realize later... not so much.

That 3:2 cropped down to 16:9 may be the extra bit of wiggle room some of the aforementioned lenses needed in order to say they cover "Full Frame".
 
dop16mm said:
I still hope someone will produce an affordable single chip 2/3 camera so I can use my 16mm lenses and be done with it. Doesn't need to be RED or RAW, just saying.
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Your wish just came true and it shoots 12bit raw. http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/footage/

I'm seriously considering one now that they are starting to become real. It would be so nice to maybe have a DSLR type rig for it, for handheld shots, and you have a much thicker file to work with than any camera out there under $50k.
 
Hey Ryan, what is the actual front diameter of the Cooke Panchro-i 18mm? I've seen some specs list it as 110mm and some list it as 87mm. Just curious.
 
Joe Walker said:
Hey Ryan, what is the actual front diameter of the Cooke Panchro-i 18mm? I've seen some specs list it as 110mm and some list it as 87mm. Just curious.
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The 18mm is 110mm, a bit wider than the 25, 32, 50, 75, and 100, which are all 87mm. The 18mm manufacturing began much later than the initial 5-set, in-fact I believe they just started shipping earlier this month. Mine gets shipped out on Monday. :) There were also some misprints regarding the image circle originally stated at 30mm, like the S4's. All of the Panchro/i's are 33.54, according to Cooke... which will cover what Red has announced the Epic 5k size to be.
 
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In your opinion do the Panchro's handle chromatic abberation better than the CP's? I've noticed quite a bit of CP footage showing chromatic abberation.
 
Joe Walker said:
In your opinion do the Panchro's handle chromatic abberation better than the CP's? I've noticed quite a bit of CP footage showing chromatic abberation.
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The Cooke's were designed and advertised to work optimally at wide open and stopped down. With that said, I have yet to notice any aberrations or noticeable sharpness differences from wide open to stopped down. They are advertised to be just as sharp wide open as the cooke s4's when at the equivalent T/2.8 stop. I am wanting to do some very rigorous testing soon in regards to comparing them. If I could get my hands on a set of S4's for a day, I'd like to test. I'll be putting the 18mm through some tests when I get it, but I suspect and expect it to function the same.

I don't know about the CP.2's. I've played around with them but have never put them through any official tests.
 
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This incredibly helpful as I've been looking at the ziess compact primes and the ziess planar and distagon lenses and trying to figure out the difference. What do you mean by 'get them cinemoded by duclos'? couldn't agree more about what's in front of the lense being more important than the glass itself.
 
Guys,

Do the Zeiss ZE canon lenses allow for correct focus pull direction?

Is there a benefit to having a manual iris ring? I am thinking about getting three ZE lenses (28mm, 50mm 85mm) to go along with a Birger mount.
 
BollingerPro said:
Guys,

Do the Zeiss ZE canon lenses allow for correct focus pull direction?

Is there a benefit to having a manual iris ring? I am thinking about getting three ZE lenses (28mm, 50mm 85mm) to go along with a Birger mount.
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Yes, they do. Yes, no power needed, etc. I think you're confusing glass here. The ZE lenses are fully manual, so a Birger (designed to give electronic focus, iris, and IS control over Canon, and Canon protocol compatible lenses such as Sigma, Tokina, etc.) won't do anything for them.
 
BollingerPro said:
Looking at the ZE lenses, I don't see a aperture ring.
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The ZE focus the right way round, & do not have aperture rings, but the Birger adapter should allow setting apertures in 1/3 stop increments.

While long focus throws are preferable in many circumstances, I know two prominent DPs who like still lenses' short throws when they're handheld, & pulling their own focus.

Best,
Bern
 
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