AF100 vs. Alexa

Dino

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I had some time with an AF100 side by side with an Alexa today for the fun of it. The Alexa had my Arri Alura 18-80mm cine zoom, the AF100 had a Zeiss 35mm ZF prime. The good news is that both cameras looked very nice. The DP who I was with commented, "remember when we thought BETACAM SP camcorders looked pretty sweet?"

Bottom line for me is that the AF100 acquitted itself well. It was a bit noisier, softer, not as graceful in highlight handling--no surprises here. Alexa is the standard for digital cine cameras for many, afterall. REC709 was a bit closer in latitude to an AF100 in HD Norm or even Cine D than S Log, which provides amazing latitude unlike anything I've ever seen in a video camera, although a P2 Varicam in Film-Rec 600% isn't bad, but not the 13-14 stops of an Alexa! Overall, AF100 latitude impressed me, seemed better than 1/3" Panasonic cameras.

The AF100 noise floor is certainly no worse at low ISO's than an HVX200A/HPX170 and what amazes me, as it did with the pre-production models I saw, is that higher ISO's, like 800 are still very usable. I'd never consider using gain boost with our HPX170. As usual, it's important to put coring at +2 for reduced noise. I didn't see the chroma noise that I saw with the pre-production units in November.

I think it's pretty clear that for those looking for the Canon 5D MkII crazy shallow DOF look, an AF100 will need a fast lens. The crop we saw compared to an Alexa was closer to 1.4X than 1.3X for Super 35mm cameras, due to the Alexa sensor being a bit larger than something like an F35 sensor. A 14mm lens is a good choice for a wide vs. an 18mm or longer.

In my mind, an AF100 will do most of what my clients need a camera to do, as long as editors are satisfied with the codec and an external recorder is always an option. The Alexa is a fantastic image maker, but probably overkill for web delivered video. The fact is the AF100 did not embarrass itself in any substantive way--and that's saying something!

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Considering the Alexa costs $80,000 and the AF100 is 1/17th that cost... yes, we all always knew it wasn't going to be an Alexa, but what it is for the money is really, really good!
 
I just cut a few spots shot on the Alexa and while I thought the image looked very good it was extremely noisy. I don't know if this was inherent in the camera or the result of a bad DP, but I was a little surprised by the noise. I am withholding judgement on the camera and its image quality until the update and the ability to shoot RAW is released. To be fair, I don't think the AF100 and the Alexa are in the same camera range, comparing the two is a bit like comparing a Mercedes to a Kia. A better test would be the Sony F3 verses the AF100 or Alexa verses RED.
 
I just cut a few spots shot on the Alexa and while I thought the image looked very good it was extremely noisy. I don't know if this was inherent in the camera or the result of a bad DP, but I was a little surprised by the noise. I am withholding judgement on the camera and its image quality until the update and the ability to shoot RAW is released. To be fair, I don't think the AF100 and the Alexa are in the same camera range, comparing the two is a bit like comparing a Mercedes to a Kia. A better test would be the Sony F3 verses the AF100 or Alexa verses RED.
Its not inherent in the camera. The alexa is for the most part noise free. Perhaps they were shooting at an absurd ISO.
 
I just cut a few spots shot on the Alexa and while I thought the image looked very good it was extremely noisy. I don't know if this was inherent in the camera or the result of a bad DP, but I was a little surprised by the noise. I am withholding judgement on the camera and its image quality until the update and the ability to shoot RAW is released. To be fair, I don't think the AF100 and the Alexa are in the same camera range, comparing the two is a bit like comparing a Mercedes to a Kia. A better test would be the Sony F3 verses the AF100 or Alexa verses RED.

Yes... but both a Mercedes and a Kia with get you to the grocery store and back... and in the Kia, once you get to the grocery store, you will still have cash on the hip to get some groceries. Maybe not filet mignon and lobster, but lots of filling chow, for sure. YES, the Alexa is going to be a better camera, but is the image it produce $75,000.00 better? Well, to a multi-million dollar feature film, a network television series, a national TV commercial campaign, or major label music video, the answer is probably, "Yes". To a very low budget independent feature film, an unsigned band music video, or most any project designed for web delivery, then the answer may be, "No". Comparing the AF-100 to the Alexa is a very unfair comparison, but I bet I am not the only one here that wants to see the footage! Any chance of that Dino?
 
I'm going to start a thread: "AF100 vs Hubble Telescope"
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Laugh out loud funny there Buddy! I love this place! :)
 
The sad part is I actually have a t-mount for my fiances telescope to EOS, and then I have EOS to m4/3, so I could actually use it with the AF100. It is equivalent to a 1524mm lens.
 
Yes... but both a Mercedes and a Kia with get you to the grocery store and back... and in the Kia, once you get to the grocery store, you will still have cash on the hip to get some groceries. Maybe not filet mignon and lobster, but lots of filling chow, for sure. YES, the Alexa is going to be a better camera, but is the image it produce $75,000.00 better? Well, to a multi-million dollar feature film, a network television series, a national TV commercial campaign, or major label music video, the answer is probably, "Yes". To a very low budget independent feature film, an unsigned band music video, or most any project designed for web delivery, then the answer may be, "No". Comparing the AF-100 to the Alexa is a very unfair comparison, but I bet I am not the only one here that wants to see the footage! Any chance of that Dino?

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I had some time with an AF100 side by side with an Alexa today for the fun of it.

Would be very interested how you consider the possibilities of using the AG-AF in a production together with an ALEXA. We won't intercut any material from two such different cameras within scenes but think about using the AG-AF (shall we call it YOKO?) for establishing shots / additional material for a 90 min feature for national TV. Just an estimation would helpful at that point.
 
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