AF100-Successor in 2015!!!!
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David W. Jones
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Yes, it's called the FS7. 
Dan Keeble
Well-known member
oh this is exciting. might hold back from buying a GH4 now.
Yeah, maybe it´s too late for Panasonic...Yes, it's called the FS7.
nobbystylus
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Would love to see a 4K$ AF404k with all the specs of the GH4 internally but with the much better ergonomics and audio XLR / SDI etc
Matt Gottshalk
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Yes, it's called the FS7.
QFT
ShawnMi
Active member
If it's an 8bit 4:2:0 camera... not interested. I love my AF100 for its flexibility, features and usability... image quality is decent too. Unfortunately, my AF100 footage stands out like a sore thumb next to my Black Magic footage. In the projects I've shot using the AF100 with the BMPCC or the BMCC, people have actually noticed a difference. Using the AF100 next any other 8bit camera, no problem... no one seems to notice. But with the BMD cameras, the difference in detail and the smooth transfer seems to que people into the fact I'm using different cameras. Oddly, they also seem not to notice moire. I've even stopped using them on the same shoots.
So, come on Panasonic... I'm not asking for a baby Varicam for $2,000.00, but can I get a 10bit, AVC-Intra camera for $4,500.00?
Shawn
So, come on Panasonic... I'm not asking for a baby Varicam for $2,000.00, but can I get a 10bit, AVC-Intra camera for $4,500.00?
Shawn
Barry_Green
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Yes -- the PX270 is about $5100 at B&H, and Panasonic had a trade-in program where you could trade in a DVX100 to get another $1,000 off.
So if they could just hack the lens off the PX270 and put in the GH4's chip, and lower the price just a tiny little bit, then ... yes, it does seem reasonable to expect that they COULD do it.
Will they? No clue. They haven't shown any real interest in doing so, but I don't think it's outrageous to expect it, especially if we're talking about delivery a year from now.
Again, I have heard nothing and know nothing. I'm just commenting that it seems potentially possible to do that at that price point, since the PX270 delivers 10-bit AVC-Intra at a price very close to it already.
NAB is a while away & they probably won't be shipping right after NAB. So if you don't need a camera until a year from today, then wait for the "new AF100." Otherwise buy something now & use it for the next year & then possibly upgrade when you need to.
And the PX270 comes with a lens, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask for the new AF100 to be around $4,500. Though if it can shoot 4K & is taking on the Sony FS7, which is priced at $8k, then I don't think we'll get it for $4,500.
ShawnMi
Active member
Thanks for confirming that I'm not completely crazy then... it can be done! Fingers crossed for a PX270/AF100/GH4 mashup!
Shawn
Yes and proper inage quality. No overexposure problem, but really good DR
Well, the GH4 and YAGH unit (with 10-bit HD-SDI and dual XLRs) cost about $3,200, and it's capable of 200-Mbps all-intra MP4 recording. Add a few hundred for a video-camera form factor, and it should be doable for much less than $4,500. What I'd like to see is a sensor with much better dynamic range (14 stops, possibly something with a dual readout à la the Alexa) and better low-light performance.
slidemaster
Well-known member
Few hundred? It does cost money to engineer things proper. Im thinking they are looking at something that will bring a better set of features than the C100 with a solid image. My wild guess is 6K.
Yeah, probably a few hundred, because they already have the form factor in the AF100 and the sensor size is the same, so there shouldn't have to be a ton of new engineering work to be done. But at $4,500, that's a premium of about $1,200, not just a few hundred. Before, people said, "You can't expect pro features like HD-SDI and XLRs in a camera for less than $6,000." Well, Panasonic just added them for under $2K (and at that still seems overpriced compared with the GH4), for a total of $3,200 or so. But if they want to, sure, Panasonic can insist on charging $6K for an AF-style version of the GH4. That would, however, push it into the same price range as the BMD Ursa and within spitting distance of the Sony F7 and the AJA Cion, all of which are s35, have raw capability, and have better DR specs. To stand out at $6K, I would think it would have to be something more than simply an AF100 with the GH4's sensor.
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