[AF] Nikon 1 Canon 0

Emanuel

Emanuel

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According with reliable sources I consulted this morning in both sides of the parade (even if about any improvement on the D4/800 that nobody knows), and because there is clean HDMI output BUT ONLY on Nikon side (so that was already practically guaranteed from scratch unless any last-minute-cripple ;) it is confirmed now:

D4 offers AF support during the recording; new 5DIII does not.

A shoot in their own feet by Canon to those who want or need some convertible tool for using autofocus feature as well, especially in one-man-show setup. After all, one of the main reasons why exist DSLRs, isn't it? For strictly manual, I'd use 5K EPIC or 4K Scarlet.

There is AF like it happens with the 5DII but not continuous AF. What remains funny is the way mobile phones and companies like Nikon offer it. And brands with video division don't. Or maybe it is not surprise at all after all ;-)

On the efficiency of the system, the jury is still out and remains to be checked out.

Other who may add something on topic from any experience with Nikons is welcome to post it here. Thanks.
 
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Thanks for that. Also, glad to see you can edit posts without multiple repeats! =)
 
James0b57 said:
Thanks for that. Also, glad to see you can edit posts without multiple repeats! =)
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LOL Don't say it twice... I didn't do nothing to justify that edit. Crazy stuff ;(

I still keep a proof with me : D

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How about this... Nikon 1, Canon 1. They are just cameras. Two more of them to be exact. You can buy both or neither. Then, there are more cameras available for you to choose from. In a few months, another camera will come along and be stacked up next to this or that camera. There are SO many cameras under $20,000 that can be used to shoot BIG TIME stuff. Isn't Act of Valor number 1 at the box office right now?

While were at it. Lets discuss Nikon on an Apple NLE vrs Canon on a PC NLE and vise versa compared to the F3 with zeiss glass vrs the Scarlet with a pinhole filmed with the hacked Gh2 with patches from driftwood and Lpowell transcoded by a toaster with h4n sound synced by George Washington.
 
On topic, it was also added this post here:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...-specs&p=1986096722&viewfull=1#post1986096722

Emanuel said:
Confirmed this morning and said by a Canon rep. Video division is NOT interested to let 5DIII to have continuous autofocus. They are not even happy with this launch but the 5DII success can't be robbed by Nikon. So, some compromises had to be done. Clean HDMI follows. And he even admited, it is embarassing Nikon to offer it.

The funny is the most part of video shooters don't give a damn for AF. But that's not the idea of the video division executives. Just as funny or curious note. Food for thought too.

Yet on the 5DII, it was said that was a surprise for the video division the huge sales for motion capture acquisiton. 5DII became a milestone inside the company. Top executives don't even want the video guys of inside to complain about. Therefore, the firmware update, etc. This time, they had to keep something in order to protect their high end. Or they risk to close it. They obviously fear the DSLR movement, they can't stop it anyway. Even 'cause Nikon is waiting for selling glass.

Hey, that was an informal conversation on the phone. Nuff said anyhow ;-)

There is an open thread here:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?276535-AF-Nikon-1-Canon-0&p=1986096715#post1986096715
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dustylense said:
How about this... Nikon 1, Canon 1. They are just cameras. Two more of them to be exact. You can buy both or neither. Then, there are more cameras available for you to choose from. In a few months, another camera will come along and be stacked up next to this or that camera. There are SO many cameras under $20,000 that can be used to shoot BIG TIME stuff. Isn't Act of Valor number 1 at the box office right now?

While were at it. Lets discuss Nikon on an Apple NLE vrs Canon on a PC NLE and vise versa compared to the F3 with zeiss glass vrs the Scarlet with a pinhole filmed with the hacked Gh2 with patches from driftwood and Lpowell transcoded by a toaster with h4n sound synced by George Washington.
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You forgot to mention the iphone.
 
dustylense said:
How about this... Nikon 1, Canon 1. They are just cameras. Two more of them to be exact. You can buy both or neither. Then, there are more cameras available for you to choose from. In a few months, another camera will come along and be stacked up next to this or that camera. There are SO many cameras under $20,000 that can be used to shoot BIG TIME stuff. Isn't Act of Valor number 1 at the box office right now?

While were at it. Lets discuss Nikon on an Apple NLE vrs Canon on a PC NLE and vise versa compared to the F3 with zeiss glass vrs the Scarlet with a pinhole filmed with the hacked Gh2 with patches from driftwood and Lpowell transcoded by a toaster with h4n sound synced by George Washington.
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Sure, I'll even buy both very likely :-) But when I get these brands acting in this way, I think we customers should well beware of it. They cripple the offer on purpose. Canon because of the video division inside. At the same time, they don't want to escape the competition, no other way unless to follow the competitor.

5DIII is here 'cause Nikon was positioning to compete inside the glass part of the cake. Canon had to react. They could have launched an updated version of 5DII before, but for some reason they didn't feel the need to. That's a totally 'game changer' if the client trades the glass side.
 
Sorry Emanuel, I made comment too soon!

EDIT* Emanuel fixed the replicated posts in this thread.
 
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James0b57 said:
Sorry Emanuel, I made comment too soon!
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Yup : D I need to moderate the replicator going after everything I post. Now, no need not even for edits, it attacks in every corner, thread where I had posted, wherever... Phew!
 
I'm interested to see how well the D800 can keep focus of a subject on a steadicam, it would save a lot of money on a remote follow focus. But if it still has aliasing/moire then it's not really going to be useful to me.
 
Emanuel said:
You still have the D4, to me it is the best combo over there. I am wondering on the sharpness side, even though I think 5DIII is still able to beat it.
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The D4 is one of my favorites on paper, but we'll see about that IQ soon enough. Too bad about no Timecode.
 
Emanuel said:
You still have the D4, to me it is the best combo over there. I am wondering on the sharpness side, even though I think 5DIII is still able to beat it.
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Yeah but does it line-skip? It's heavier and pricier too. I didn't think Canon would catch up in high ISO but it looks like I was wrong. The chroma noise isn't a problem anymore either it appears. Looking forward to the DXOmark sensor tests to see how close they are. I've always liked Nikons since I had an FM2 20 years ago but you know I'm brand agnostic.
 
squig said:
Yeah but does it line-skip? It's heavier and pricier too. I didn't think Canon would catch up in high ISO but it looks like I was wrong. The chroma noise isn't a problem anymore either it appears. Looking forward to the DXOmark sensor tests to see how close they are. I've always liked Nikons since I had an FM2 20 years ago but you know I'm brand agnostic.
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Yes, IQ is the most important aspect of things. In reality, if the image is superb, I would deal with a lot of things.

Here is the DP review image samples (ISO) for the 5DmkIII:
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/r...m=canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-low-light-iso-samples

iso200-6400 100%crops

5DmkIII iso200-6400 by onesielaff, on Flickr
 
And not a real comparison, but a relative one:

Nikon D800 iso6400 100% crop:
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James0b57 said:
And not a real comparison, but a relative one:

Nikon D800 iso6400 100% crop:
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The D800 will almost certainly be sharper @ 100% for stills. I shoot stills for billboards with my MKII. The 2-3 stop ISO boost will be great for stopping down and getting that retro deep DOF look!
 
yoclay said:
You forgot to mention the iphone.
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Iphone is crap compared to the droid! It holds back stuff on purpose and they MAKE you buy it! I've had 4 of them and I've hated every one of them! I'll hate buying the 5th one too. But now I have too many cords and stereos that have me stuck in the Iphone. Plus my George Washington protective cover case is incompatible with the Palm I have my eye on....Choices, yikes.
 
James0b57 said:
The D4 is one of my favorites on paper, but we'll see about that IQ soon enough. Too bad about no Timecode.
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Sure, with this silly thing of the multiple posts I forgot to type, I guess! :-) What do we know so far? Too little as matter of fact. But on such lack of features we can complain yes : )
 
I am somewhat considering the D800 over others, because I shoot documentary mainly, and I would like to do impromptu hi-res portraits, potentially. Up to 6400 (haven't seen many samples beyond that) are looking good considering. I just don't know if I want to continue shooting projects without timecode.
 
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