AF-100 Another DSLR $9,000 4:2:0 is a solution?

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Nick Navaro said:
Thanks for the pics, appreciate it.....

And not all, Canon released a 4:2:2 50mbs "VIDEO CAMERA (XF305)" back in August for not much more than the price of 101. 1/3" maybe, but still 4:2:2 50mbs... I need a camera NOW as work has to be done, but have a feeling as soon as I get the AF101, Canon will combine their DSLR's with XF305 and have some amazing low price broadcast quality kit. Their silence is painful.....
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I think Canon will develop and release a XF300 type camera with an S35 or m3/4 size sensor, but they won't do it soon because it would kill sales in the XF300 series. (Which is an obvious intermediate step between the venerable XH-A1 and what ever large sensor cam they release.)

If you need it in the next couple of months your choices are the F3 or AF100. There your choice is: Is the increased dynamic range, slightly bigger sensor, and signal to noise floor worth the extra money to the way you shoot now?
 
pallllaaaaa said:
not all, never talk about color, 4:2:0 that is most important part.
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4:2:0 is not the end of the world. if you control the lighting of your scene and expose correctly, you end up with an image that is highly flexible in post. i have personally shot a ton of stuff on a 4:2:0 camera (ex1) that looks amazing. if that's still not good enough for you, tap the hdsdi and record externally 4:2:2.
 
Right- one more thing... Exactly what 64Gb cards does the nano flash take? And what 64Gb cards will go in the AF101?

I'm asking, as there's an issue with speed is there not?

Thanks very much...!!!
 
Barry_Green said:
The only way to get 64GB in an AF100 is with SDXC. As long as it's Class 6, it'll work for anything. If it's Class 4 it'll work for all modes except overcranking.
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Which manufacturer do you recommend. I've bought CF for so long, I am not sure what to look at :) I want to go with 32G cards myself.
 
Barry_Green said:
The only way to get 64GB in an AF100 is with SDXC. As long as it's Class 6, it'll work for anything. If it's Class 4 it'll work for all modes except overcranking.
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Barry you're a genius.

Class 6 it is then!

Any idea on the compact flash cards that go in the Canon XF305? Speed classes too?
 
Ok. Thanks to all that have helped me on this thread. This is what I'm going with. Will probably order everything beginning of Jan (not Crittenden lol)

Any last minute critics/suggestions? Important purchase for me, so all info welcome (all in Pounds Sterling)

[FONT=&quot]Canon xf305 - £6638.75[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Wide lens adapter - £645.08[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 x batteries - £229.13 each[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Battery charger £101.33[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bag - £205.63[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Shotgun Mic to attach to camera – Sony ECM 674 £220[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]clip on mic Sony ECM-77B - £410[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Tripod plate - £23.49[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Tripod Vinten V5AS-CP1M - £2730[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Minitripod - £100[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Steady cam Blackbird - £428[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Dolly (phil bloom traveller) - £700[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bigger LED light - £527.57[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Top LED light - £139.82[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Panasonic ag af101 - £3995[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Voigt 0.95 lens - £749[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14-140mm Zoom lens - £689[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 x batteries - £100[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nanoflash + cables – £2579.13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Flash cards for XF305 and Nano – 4 x 64GB @ £400 each - £1600[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Cards for AF101 ( 2 x 64GB Class 6) - £182 x 2[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]£23404.60[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
- [FONT=&quot]17.5% vat = 4095.72[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]total £19308.88[/FONT]
 
Just curious, has anyone tried the Kingston SDHC class 6 cards? I use 2 Kingston 32Gb CF cards and they've been flawless for hundreds of hours of use. That said, I know people who've used the 16Gb versions of the CF cards and had issue. Just curious if anyone has tried them.

Also, What kind of FW800 reader are people using? For the CF cards I have been using the Lexar which has been great. I don't currently have an SDHC card reader that is very fast (it's a USB dongle type).
 
Sandisk Extreme 32GB and Delkin 64GB cards available at NanoFlash.net work very well in my NF. Hundreds of hrs recorded and no problems at all
 
olof said:
I think I can come up with a really compact NanoFlash mount on the AF100. It has both a replaceable top handle and side handle.

So depending on your use of the camera I will have different solutions.

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This one shows how compact the rig is on an EX1
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Hi Olof... Did you come up with a mount for nano-flash on the AF100/1 yet???

Thanks
 
Barry_Green said:
Well, first of all, I don't know where you're getting your $10,000 price tag, because the MSRP has been confirmed to be $4,995.

Secondly, the AF100 is not a DSLR. If you'd like a list of things that the AF100 does, that a DSLR doesn't, here's a list:

THINGS THE AF100 DOES, THAT A CANON DSLR DOESN'T​
Clean monitoring at full 1920x1080 resolution, suitable for recording to an external recorder

Clean HDMI output at full resolution even during recording, suitable for recording

Professional HD-SDI output

1080/24pSf output

A composite video output jack

SMPTE timecode

LTC timecode synchronizing, for multiple-camera shoots or for using an external audio recorder or timecode slate

A headphone jack for monitoring audio

RCA audio outputs

Professional XLR audio inputs

Line/Mic selectable

Can supply phantom power for microphones

Manual audio level control with no AGC

Option of engaging an automatic limiter to prevent against sudden overmodulation

High-quality audio pre-amps

1080/60i and 1080/50i recording modes

Variable frame rates in 20 steps, from 1080/12p up to 1080/60p, for various levels of slow-motion and fast-motion

720/24p and 720/25p and 720/30p recording modes (in addition to 1080/24p, 1080/25p, 1080/30p, 720/50p, 720/60p, 1080/50i and 1080/60i)

P2/AVCCAM Metadata

Two card slots

Professional image controls

Filmlike Cinegamma gamma curves

Selectable color matrices

Adjustable knee point and master pedestal controls right in camera

Dynamic Range Stretching feature

Color-matched with other Panasonic professional cameras, such as the VariCams

Pre-record, for catching events occurring even before you press the record button

Continuous recording capacity of over 12 hours in economy mode, and continuous recording of six hours in best-quality mode on a single card (no 12-minute time limit!)

Complete freedom from overheating issues

Colored Focus Assist that can be used >while recording<

Capable of video-camera-like autofocus (when used with an appropriate lens)

Face-detection autofocus that can track focus on a moving face

Peaking/EVF DTL for easier manual focus

High-definition color LCD panel

High-definition color viewfinder

Viewfinder that can actually be used during video recording

Two sets of zebras, which can be set from anywhere from 50 to 105 IRE in 5-IRE steps

A built-in Waveform Monitor(!)

A built-in Vectorscope

A built-in Spotmeter (the "Marker" which tells you the IRE brightness of what's in the center of the screen)

Different aspect ratio markings in the LCD, including 16:9, 4:3, 14:9, 1.85:1 and 2.35:1

A 90% "safety zone" for making sure your framing will be visible on all TVs

Film-style variable shutter angles from 1 to 360 degrees, which track automatically with the variable frame rates to always provide consistent motion blur

Syncro-Scan shutter in video mode, giving you nearly infinitely-settable shutter speeds from 1/24.0 to 1/250.0

Built-in optical neutral density filters, including ND .6, ND 1.2, and ND 1.8

SMPTE color bar generator

Cleaner/sharper images with a substantial reduction in aliasing

Elimination of the purple/orange moire that happens on all Canon DSLRs

A much more robust recording format (AVCCAM PH mode) which is more resilient and better than the h.264 on the DSLRs

Elimination of the fixed pattern noise and "vertical streaking"

Greatly improved rolling shutter performance

Ability to assign index points within clips, so you can mark a subsection of a clip and easily jump from spot to spot within that clip

Ability to mark clips "Good" or "No Good" at the press of a button, and that marker will show up in your NLE (depending, of course, on your NLE)

Ability to delete the last clip you just shot, at a button press

Ability to assign custom user names to clips as they get recorded, automatically

Ability to save and exchange "scene files" with other users, for easy matching between multiple cameras

Ability to take any PL-mount lens (not just a few limited telephoto lenses, or having to physically remove the mirror out of your DSLR)

Ability to take c-mount cinema lenses

Ability to take much larger batteries, including 6000mah batteries

Wireless infrared remote controller

Remote iris/focus/start/stop controller sockets

Can perform a manual black balance, with a dedicated physical iris

Fully articulated LCD panel (only the Canon 60D offers this, the others don't)

And, to top it all off, a three-year warranty



If you feel like those features are important to you, then step up to the bar and buy an AF100. If you feel like you wouldn't use those features, then stay with a DSLR.

>and please note -- this is not meant to be some sort of feature-for-feature comparison. This is meant to be a list of new/added/additional capabilities that the AF100 has, that the Canon DSLRs don't have. That's it.<



But please, in the interest of accuracy, let's put an end to this idea of trying to make something into what it isn't. The AF100 isn't a DSLR, it's a professional video camcorder with a DSLR-sized sensor. If it's not for you, that's okay. There are still plenty of DSLRs on the market that you can choose from.
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Please can you tell what AF100 can't do...the list would be a bit shorter... but more interesting!:laugh:
 
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