AF-100 Another DSLR $9,000 4:2:0 is a solution?

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Barry_Green said:
It depends on your needs. If you are looking solely for a digital cinema camera, and money is no object, I'd go with the Alexa. If money is an issue but extends far enough to afford a Red with the M-X sensor, then yeah, obviously as a solely digital cinema product the Red is a superior product.

If money is an object, then clearly the $5,000 AF100 will have a lot of sway over a $30k Red kit. And if you need a video camera too, the AF100 does that job.
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This brings up a good point. Red is not a video camera in the conventional sense of the term although it can be used to produce video. They shoot much more like film cameras than video cameras and require a different skill set. It is a work flow that is more familiar to digital still photographers than videographers and there is a significant learning curve to get the best out of them.

Alexa is still a beta stage product and they are having some teething problems apparently, including RF shielding issues and a run in with the FCC over non-compliance with part B certification regs.
 
Razz16mm said:
This brings up a good point. Red is not a video camera
Alexa is still a beta stage product and they are having some teething problems apparently, including RF shielding issues and a run in with the FCC over non-compliance with part B certification regs.
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Razz16mm, that is just a rumor and most people on the CML seem to disagree. Sorry to get off topic, but that's how bad rumors spread.
 
Razz16mm said:
This brings up a good point. Red is not a video camera in the conventional sense of the term although it can be used to produce video. They shoot much more like film cameras than video cameras and require a different skill set. It is a work flow that is more familiar to digital still photographers than videographers and there is a significant learning curve to get the best out of them.
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Yep. Not a video camera. Digital cinema camera - it shoots compressed RAW, not a video codec.

And it is somewhat more than a video camera, offering a lot of possibility that some people will never need.
 
ripupthehwy said:
I think pallllaaaaa is saying that by the time she buys good glass for the af100 her total cost would be about $10 grand. But whatever. To each his own. But I also think she should find somewhere else to go do her bitching.
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But that is a non issue.

When you buy a DSLR you have to buy THAT SAME GLASS.
 
Mister Stocks said:
When I read threads like this, sometimes I get really angry and I just start shouting at my computer screen, "computers aren't magic!"

I feel like people should already understand this when they clamor for RAW in a camera the size of a D90 or T2i, or when they yell for higher grade codecs via a firmware upgrade (really?).

I see a camera like this come out and I see progress. I don't understand the people who yell out "THEY CRIPPLED IT". They designed this camera to fill a niche in their lineup, that is not crippling it.

Computers are not magic.
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"computers aren't magic?" that explains a lot!
 
Wow, can't believe i just read this entire thread...

Well i can only speak for myself and i've come to the conclusion that Canon DSLR doesn't suit me. I hate the form factor, i want a real hi-res viewfinder i can stick my eye in, don't have to worry about moire/scewing which currently has a MAJOR impact on what i am able to shoot... and that's a problem, cus that's a new type of limitation that's just unbearable (and then i'm not even using Zeiss or L-glass...)

Moving over to GH13 until this hits the shelf in EU. Barry's list pretty muched nailed the product as a no-brainer though, the AF100 simply does everything i want a camera to be able to do and besides, the size is pretty damn neat (unlike what you think from pictures... design looks like it *would* be a beast... ).

And hey, just have to sell the GH1... sorting out old glass, getting cheap adapters... when AF100 comes it'll be plug'n-play :)
 
I'm just glad they made the side handle removable! I'm going to employ a CNC machine to give me a camera type grip on the side as I prefer that ( unless some aftermarket or panasonic beats me to it. In fact, I wouldn't mind being able to store an extra battery in it kind of like the red design. While I would have liked a little more modularity in the design, it's still a lot more than other cameras. I am excited to see what aftermarket stuff comes out!!!
 
This is what people do when they are waiting for the camera they pre-ordered to be delivered (or at least know a release date). :) This is what it is ALWAYS like on the RED forums. The day the Epic goes into the wild in full quantities I bet that site will be a ghost town! No wait....the people waiting for Scarlets (Me the S35) will still be talking about nothing.

:)
 
Yeah, tell me about it, I just read it too.

I think people are focusing on the downside of the 7D and 5D like that big zit on your nose the night of your first big date. The one your date didn't even notice. It all depends on what your output is. The last three things I shot were all for SD. Wow, imagine that, lol.

Do you want a professional rig for under 6K or not. On the Lucas shoot with Bloom they ended up shooting mostly with the EOS-1D Mark IV. So if you really go out and get the best low light resolving DSLR how much have you just spent? Now add a BlackMagic Box to get your video outputs and you still don't have proper audio.

Neither one is exactly what people want but I know what I want! And the Pany will do me fine until I get my Red EpicX. And even then I may just sell the EpicX. Who knows because at some point you have to weigh how long you want to spend in post to where your images are going to end up. The bigger the files the bigger the computer the more money your spending.

At the end of the day spend your money where it counts, good glass and good accessories. You will hang onto those for along time. My 58mm f/1.2 Rokkor is as old as I am and it is still excellent glass.



Martin Oller said:
Wow, can't believe i just read this entire thread...

Well i can only speak for myself and i've come to the conclusion that Canon DSLR doesn't suit me. I hate the form factor, i want a real hi-res viewfinder i can stick my eye in, don't have to worry about moire/scewing which currently has a MAJOR impact on what i am able to shoot... and that's a problem, cus that's a new type of limitation that's just unbearable (and then i'm not even using Zeiss or L-glass...)

Moving over to GH13 until this hits the shelf in EU. Barry's list pretty muched nailed the product as a no-brainer though, the AF100 simply does everything i want a camera to be able to do and besides, the size is pretty damn neat (unlike what you think from pictures... design looks like it *would* be a beast... surprise buttsecks).

And hey, just have to sell the GH1... sorting out old glass, getting cheap adapters... when AF100 comes it'll be plug'n-play :)
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How did you know?


grimepoch said:
This is what people do when they are waiting for the camera they pre-ordered to be delivered (or at least know a release date). :) This is what it is ALWAYS like on the RED forums. The day the Epic goes into the wild in full quantities I bet that site will be a ghost town! No wait....the people waiting for Scarlets (Me the S35) will still be talking about nothing.

:)
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timbook2 said:
so basically what I get here is : we want a 24x36 mm CCD chip camera that records 4:2:2 50 mbps to SDXC cards with interchangeable lenses and full AF 100 features ? or did I get something wrong? ;-)
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I'll take that!!! Where can I get one??? For $2.5k too :D
 
Check this >>

http://www.abelcine.com/store/Panasonic-AG-AF100-Micro-Four-Thirds-Professional-HD-Camcorder/#tabs
AG-AF100 Recording ModesPH:
1920 x 1080 / 1280 x 720
21Mbps (average), 24Mbps (max)
LPCM/2ch or Dolby Digital/2ch
HA:
1920 x 1080
17Mbps (average)
Dolby Digital/2ch
HE:
1440 x 1080
6Mbps (average)
Dolby Digital/2ch



So the AF100 only records at an average of 21mb/sec??


TV in the UK, i.e., the BBC requires a minimum of 50mb/sec. Hell, a Sony Z1 records at 15Mb/sec and the artefacts that gets are nasty. Imagine 24mb/sec quality in post production...?? Seems like a scary prospect.


I'm really disappointed as I really like this camera, but the overall quality and depth of the picture is severely compromised. You think Panny just rushed this out for the marketing aspect. Surely seems so....


Jan > Make it record at least 50mbs in it's highest quality. I'm sure you'd sell WAY more units...
 
Nick Navaro said:
Check this >>

http://www.abelcine.com/store/Panasonic-AG-AF100-Micro-Four-Thirds-Professional-HD-Camcorder/#tabs
AG-AF100 Recording ModesPH:
1920 x 1080 / 1280 x 720
21Mbps (average), 24Mbps (max)
LPCM/2ch or Dolby Digital/2ch
HA:
1920 x 1080
17Mbps (average)
Dolby Digital/2ch
HE:
1440 x 1080
6Mbps (average)
Dolby Digital/2ch



So the AF100 only records at an average of 21mb/sec??


TV in the UK, i.e., the BBC requires a minimum of 50mb/sec. Hell, a Sony Z1 records at 15Mb/sec and the artefacts that gets are nasty. Imagine 24mb/sec quality in post production...?? Seems like a scary prospect.


I'm really disappointed as I really like this camera, but the overall quality and depth of the picture is severely compromised. You think Panny just rushed this out for the marketing aspect. Surely seems so....


Jan > Make it record at least 50mbs in it's highest quality. I'm sure you'd sell WAY more units...
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your completely ignoring the fact that its a different codec. id respond but im too lazy. lucky for you someone else here would though
 
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