Adobe Premiere

Hidef1080 said:
I thought they would do this but I didn't think it would be this soon. I was thinking they would have come out with CS7 first.

Again my issue is not "hooking up to the internet"... My problem is that once you stop paying Adobe you will not have any thing that works.
Maybe it's just me but that is a major issue.
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I think that this is an issue too. I have Vegas 9 on another machine that I can go to for older projects without having to redo them in Premiere. I don't know... I think that piracy is awful and I don't blame a software company for doing whatever they have to to stop it. However I buy software. I'm a good customer. I'm invested in Premiere Pro CS6 and pay gladly for upgrades. I have invested countless hours in learning how to use it, seminars, lynda.com, hours of reading. I think this idea that you stop paying and you're out is just crappy. I'm in... they should let me pay and stay in and keep the product that I paid for. If for some reason, I can't continue the subscription... I should be able to keep the software. They should just do both. I like that people have the choice and I understand why they like it... but I don't.

Why can't they have the app call in every 180 days and check my license? Fine by me! Final Draft does that, so does IntelliJ (a java development IDE) to check how many machines it's running on, so why not enforce the license that way. Then if someone is running their software off a bogus license, go after them, or better hobble the darn thing. So the app calls in, doesn't check out and eats a poison pill. Why not?

If they can shut down the app because your subscription has lapsed why can't they shut down instances using bogus keys? I'm probably missing something but I think this kinda stinks.

I don't get why good paying customers have to work around their inability to enforce their licences. The more I think about it the more I think that Adobe is just creating a different revenue model where their incentive to improve the software, and add features, has less, not more to do with what they offer and the satisfaction of their clients.
 
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I swore (to myself) I wasn’t go to say anything more, but you folks got me to thinking . . .
It’s really multiple issues, isn’t it?

I got no argument with folks that don’t like the idea that they quit paying they have to quit using
(even though you’re getting use pretty much the entire Master Collection for $29.95)

Guys that can’t/don’t want to connect to the internet?
Call Adobe.
I guarantee you’re not along and that there is already a solution in place.
I hadn’t given in that much thought because pretty much every modern piece of software I use (Microsoft, Avid, etc., etc.) either informs me of updates or automatically downloads them in the background every single day I turn the power switch on, so “having to connect to the internet” isn’t much of an issue (for me).

But what you really got me thinking about is the obvious . . .
There is going to have to be an upgrade path for people with the boxed set.
Otherwise how will they continue to make money?
You’ve already spoken, so if there is the kind of resistance to a subscription only then Adobe will have to re-think that plan (the alternative would be economic suicide).

I'm feeling like I must be missing an important piece of information here (not being sarcastic).
Time will surely tell.
 
bosindy said:
including buying Adobe CS7, because the cloud is an additional option, not a requirement to using the software. Or we can continue to beat the canard to death that they will force everyone into subscriptions and say we are being reasonable in objecting to something that is not happening.
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Funny in to read this in retrospect.....
 
Hidef1080 said:
I thought they would do this but I didn't think it would be this soon. I was thinking they would have come out with CS7 first.

Again my issue is not "hooking up to the internet"... My problem is that once you stop paying Adobe you will not have any thing that works.
Maybe it's just me but that is a major issue.
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Why should you stop paying adobe? You get a NLE and have to pay a monthly rate for what you get, thats it.
 
Are they turning off all the boxed software we bought down the years?

If not people who don't want the software just won't buy into it and use CS3-CS6.
 
EIREHotspur said:
Are they turning off all the boxed software we bought down the years?

If not people who don't want the software just won't buy into it and use CS3-CS6.
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Or move on... but the question remains that besides new features and new acquired apps not being accessible, what about codecs? Someone above pointed out the imminent release of h.265. Will Adobe update my PP CS6 to include it or am I just hosed with an investment in software that can't cut it?
 
Sony Vegas for me then, for photography I just need Lightroom for 95% of my work. $50 a month indefinitely is pretty steep if you don't use a majority of the tools and one tool alone is not worth the $20 per month price either. I don't upgrade when each new version comes out so this is really not good math for my needs.
 
I have a Vegas 9 license and I'm going to explore changing back. I liked Vegas a lot but I really like PP including After Effects and Audition. Perhaps working outside a suite will be my solution, Vegas, Davinici Resolve, Sonar or some other combo. Maybe solutions outside CS6 is fertile ground for a new thread... too soon?
 
hscully said:
Or move on... but the question remains that besides new features and new acquired apps not being accessible, what about codecs? Someone above pointed out the imminent release of h.265. Will Adobe update my PP CS6 to include it or am I just hosed with an investment in software that can't cut it?
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I'd bet dollars to donuts that H.265 is going to bring computers to their knees so no one will want to edit natively with it. Just transcode it to something better and cut away.


-Andrew
 
adkimery said:
I'd bet dollars to donuts that H.265 is going to bring computers to their knees so no one will want to edit natively with it. Just transcode it to something better and cut away.


-Andrew
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Why anyone would want to edit in a low bit rate web streaming codec is beyond me. An NLE is forced to both decode and encode on the fly generating most frames from partial data. Very processor intensive and not very good for even simple VFX.
 
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Razz16mm said:
Why anyone would want to edit in a low bit rate web streaming codec is beyond me. An NLE is forced to both decode and encode on the fly generating most frames from partial data. Very processor intensive and not very good for even simple VFX.
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Seeing as how this is a forum filled w/people shooting on DSLRs I'm sure there are plenty of people that could answer that question. :)


-Andrew
 
alaskacameradude said:
Funny in to read this in retrospect.....
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which doesn't change the fact that the thread was started to discuss the new features of Premier unveiled at NAB, rather than to discuss how Adobe delivers its software. As I stated in other responses if Adobe decides to go subscription only, which they now have, I will take that into consideration in where to go after FCP7, which I now will.
 
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adkimery said:
Seeing as how this is a forum filled w/people shooting on DSLRs I'm sure there are plenty of people that could answer that question. :)


-Andrew
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the honest answer is:

1 - Because they can't ford better (fair enough, respect - try for more budget next time)

or

2 - Because they don't know it's kind of crappy and have been brainwashed by Phillip Bloom and the like. - these people are idiots - no respect.

No smart person with money would choose a DSLR for video unless they were seeking some kind of free publicity (House - Act of Valor) or had very special circumstances to deal with (also that SINGLE episode of House). It's just bad technology under most circumstances.
 
David Jimerson said:
As of September, they had a million subscribers, so talk of doom doesn't seem well-founded.

http://dashburst.com/adobe-creative-cloud-one-million-subscribers/
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Nice! "Our customers are choosing (CHOOSING!??) subscriptions instead of perpetual licences...."

What choice? How can he say that? There is no upgrade path for perpetual licences, right? How is that a choice? Are they making perpetual licences available? Am I missing something here or is this just Orwellian market speak?
 
Robert Ruffo said:
the honest answer is:

1 - Because they can't ford better (fair enough, respect - try for more budget next time)

or

2 - Because they don't know it's kind of crappy and have been brainwashed by Phillip Bloom and the like. - these people are idiots - no respect.

No smart person with money would choose a DSLR for video unless they were seeking some kind of free publicity (House - Act of Valor) or had very special circumstances to deal with (also that SINGLE episode of House). It's just bad technology under most circumstances.
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Yet more than a couple movies have been shot with worse. Full Frontal, 28 Days Later, Open Water, Bamboozeled, etc., were shot in SD on DV and all had theatrical releases. November, an indie film, was shot on DV and won Best Cinematography at Sundance (I think this was '05). Crank and Crank 2 were shot on consumer HDV cameras (and a Sony Z1U was used for some POV shots in Flags of our Fathers). I see DSLRs getting used as B-cam or C-cams a lot on narrative and unscripted productions for network & cable shows that certainly have budgets and smart people working on them. In many situations they are 'good enough' and, hell, this whole industry (along with most others) was built on 'good enough'.

DSLRs and h.264 are low on my list of things I'd want to work with but they wouldn't be so wide spread in use if they were as ugly and useless as some people make them out to be.

-Andrew
 
hscully said:
Nice! "Our customers are choosing (CHOOSING!??) subscriptions instead of perpetual licences...."

What choice? How can he say that? There is no upgrade path for perpetual licences, right? How is that a choice? Are they making perpetual licences available? Am I missing something here or is this just Orwellian market speak?
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It's just marketing BS. Yes they still sell CS6 so technically there is a "choice" so he technically can say that.

I'm hoping that the next major (likely paid) update to FCPX, when it releases this month alongside the new MacPro, will be AWESOME and put major pressure on Adobe....

They picked up also these final cut switchers last go around... with any luck, they'll feel the heat of a non-subscription, $300 piece of pro software that Apple provides multiple, free and noteworthy updates to throughout it's life.

Maybe that will push them back towards a standard pricing model + subscription
 
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