FS7: Adobe CC2015 looking interesting

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bengiles

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https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/how-to/lumetri-color-overview.html

I've started playing with the new Lumetri panel - it allows you to set clip level LUT/Grade, allowing you to offline cut with a basic/advance look. You don't have to apply/copy it clip by clip on the timeline.

This is looking a lot like what many of us have been asking for - an easy SLog3 workflow, where the NLE snaps into a de-logged look. You can dive straight in, without doing a pre-cut one-light in Davinci etc.

I've only just started playing with it this afternoon, but it's looking promising.

Ben.
 
For anybody having performance issues with speedgrade and direct link, this is a very good alternative to the situations when you dont have time for a proper xml. export and such. Also the performance in direct link may have been fixed? I have not had the time to check it out yet.
 
Haven't downloaded it yet. Does it have an automatic LUT applying function by footage metadata? Feature that was in Sony's vision.
 
I do like the fact that I can now add a clip-based Lumetri filter.

In other words, you can do a decent working grade, including sharpening etc, on the source clip itself.

For those who have been asking how to workflow SLog3, without round-tripping in and out of 3rd Party apps such as Resolve, this is a real step forward.
 
I'm psyched on the Premiere coloring tools. I normally grade in either After Effects or Resolve, but this last project was a fairly straight forward grade so I just tried to do the whole thing in Premiere (not the latest version). I actually hate Resolve because the interface protocols and navigation feels like it's from the 90's, it's so dated; but I like the real time.

It worked out well and I was just happy to not have to go into Resolve or After Effects. Now it will be even better. More complex shots I will probably grade in After Effects, but it's nice to still be able to edit and adjust sound files and all that stuff in Premiere and color at the same time.
 
And that grade can be saved as a preset. Definitely looking very interesting. It is possible to apply any number of Adobe-supplied presets or a 3D LUT. What I am going to attempt next will be monitoring through the Odyssey 7Q+ with one of the CD-supplied LUTS and then applying that through the Lumetri layer.

Definitely liking what I am seeing so far with PPro CC2015.

Ned Soltz
 
It's a shame that it can't be purchased anymore, only rented. I refuse to rent software and be dependent on an internet connection.
 
It has been said many times by Adobe that it only "checks" once a month. I have edited on the road without an internet connection and been fine for days without internet.

The color panel is really nice. I used it on a short film yesterday and it was super easy to use. I came from photo, so the controls feel very similar. I have been waiting for this for awhile now!
 
Still, anything that depends on a company to be there, keeping the software's heart beating, is not a fiscally sound choice to make. I like CS6 because if Adobe does tits up, or the government shuts down the internet, it will continue to edit my projects.

I'm building a NLE for a friend of mine and we had to stop after installing windows because he didn't have CC on a portable media. He was expecting to download it. But my connection is too slow. It took two days to download Bill Gherke's Premiere Benchmark zip file. So we knew CC wasn't going to be possible without a city grade connection.

The lack of optical media to install is an obstacle in its own. Then you have to install Creative Cloud desktop, then go download gigabytes of application installers. It's a major operation. Not the 20 minute install for CS6 master collection on DVD ROM.

Then there's the problems with the current release of CC 2015. The Adobe Premiere forum is flooded with complaints right now. I don't know how those guys can get productive work done when their software environment is always changing. One of the reasons I turned off Windows update was it kept breaking stuff, causing me hours of troubleshooting.

CC may have nice features, but it's not going to convince me to take on a big monthly nut to keep it alive.
 
If the Government shuts down the internet I'd say we all have bigger issues than editing videos. That said I hate the subscription model too, but CC is 'just about' worth it to me.
 
To each his own, a subscription model in the long term might be more expensive but is more affordable for small businesses like myself. I can easily justify $50 a month but dropping thousands on a master collection only to be outdated in 1.5-2 years is a little bit silly. I am using a bunch of different cameras and like to be able to edit anything on any format for the job. I use Adobe products for my photography and video. So it was a no-brainer to jump onto Creative Cloud. I also think Adobe appreciates it more because they can continue updating just one program and not have to go back to legacy versions and feed updates until it just wasn't feasible anymore. Which overall means, more updates for the subscribers and more time to focus on development on new things.
 
basspig said:
Still, anything that depends on a company to be there, keeping the software's heart beating, is not a fiscally sound choice to make. I like CS6 because if Adobe does tits up, or the government shuts down the internet, it will continue to edit my projects.

I'm building a NLE for a friend of mine and we had to stop after installing windows because he didn't have CC on a portable media. He was expecting to download it. But my connection is too slow. It took two days to download Bill Gherke's Premiere Benchmark zip file. So we knew CC wasn't going to be possible without a city grade connection.

The lack of optical media to install is an obstacle in its own. Then you have to install Creative Cloud desktop, then go download gigabytes of application installers. It's a major operation. Not the 20 minute install for CS6 master collection on DVD ROM.

Then there's the problems with the current release of CC 2015. The Adobe Premiere forum is flooded with complaints right now. I don't know how those guys can get productive work done when their software environment is always changing. One of the reasons I turned off Windows update was it kept breaking stuff, causing me hours of troubleshooting.

CC may have nice features, but it's not going to convince me to take on a big monthly nut to keep it alive.
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I was very upset when Adobe moved to the subscription model, and stuck with CS5.5 for a long time. Earlier this year I grudgingly made the move to Creative Clould and the subscription model. While I'm in no way pleased with Adobe's new business model, I was able to justify it because I have recurring paid edit work every month, with a reasonable expectation that such business will continue for the forseeable future. In my case, I'm frequently billing over $1,000 monthly either in editing work or other services I was only contracted for because I also am performing the edit. At least one of these clients expects rush same day or overnight edits with multiple edits uploaded for review prior to final encode. Prior to updating to CC I was losing too much time on the rush edits in encoding and other codec workflow issues and so forth. Also, my clients use Adobe CC, and may send me assets and such that will perform best imported back into Adobe CC. For me, it came down to business math: spending $50 monthly to secure $1,000+ monthly in business made sense. At such time that I don't have recurring paid edit work I may need to reappraise that decision.

Adobe's model works best for cases like mine, where the return on investment is clear. And I should point out some other factors where the subscription model holds an edge for some:
- Accounting and taxes - laws vary widely based on where you live, but typically, a subscription is a pure expense, that can be written off entirely. Owning software is treated differently depending on country/state, but may be subject to depreciation and tangible asset taxation and so forth.
- Latest features always available - The old ownership model made upgrading onerous. You'd wait until you absolutely had to have the new feature set before shelling out. For internal edit only shops that keep the same camera and codec workflows for years, this wasn't as big of a deal, but causes many headaches for shops that have to accept codecs and project files from outside vendors and clients. Not upgrading meant lost productivity in transcoding and so forth. With subscription, you can always move to the latest features available to your vendors and clients.

As for Adobe going belly up - if that were to occur, I'm sure people would move on to whatever else is on the market, and those less scrupulous individuals would probably manage to not quit using CC... even without the Cloud. Sticking with CS6 is great for those who've already invested or who know they don't need newer feature sets any time soon. But as cameras and codecs improve and grow, that software will be far less practical for those who need to stay ahead of the curve.

If the government fails, and the world economy collapses... not only are there bigger fish to fry than pixel perfect video editing, and we'll just have to make do with the best we've got in the savage and lawless wasteland.
 
Ben Scott said:
If the Government shuts down the internet I'd say we all have bigger issues than editing videos. That said I hate the subscription model too, but CC is 'just about' worth it to me.
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If the Government shut down the internet, I think people would be way more concerned about Facebook and Cat videos than Premiere. But you can pay $20 a month just for Premiere / single app, which isn't too terrible.

The thing is, CS6 Premiere is missing the codecs to work with XAVC, so you need to upgrade to CC to work natively with XAVC, otherwise it's crazy transcoding.
 
From what I see on Adobe's forums, CC is unstable and has numerous ongoing issues:

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...MXF decode &aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l2.4776j0j7


The subscription is a two-edged sword. If you have regular ongoing business editing other people's footage in a variety of flavors, it can be good to keep up with the latest versions. The bad side is you no longer have a stable editing platform, and troubleshooting why you can't play, render or import certain footage, can take up most of your time.

For me, I own my own camera gear. Mostly XDCam stuff, a number of EX1s, an EX3, some extra lenses, and CS3 has been serving me well for the past 7 years. I recently upgraded to CS6 to gain Mercury Playback Engine GPU features, and that's been fantastic. I'm well served for HD work. However, now that I have the FS7, I am stuck working in QFHD with Shogun Prores files, due to the XAVC missing in CS6. Since I want stability, and not a series of updates and troubleshooting sessions with Adobe techs (read some of those threads, you'll be shocked at how inept India's support staff are at Adobe), I will buy into another software package that offers a perpetual license and a stable version that I can continue to use for 4K work.

If CC is working for you, great, but it's definitely not for me, given the 'feast or famine' nature of work since 2010. I had regular recital work until the rich kids' parents lost their investments, so I don't see any of that anymore. I still do orchestra work and music teaching videos, though I'll often go a year or more between gigs. If it weren't for my amplifier repair business, I'd have starved to death or had my home stolen for back taxes by now.
 
basspig said:
From what I see on Adobe's forums, CC is unstable and has numerous ongoing issues:

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...MXF decode &aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l2.4776j0j7


The subscription is a two-edged sword. If you have regular ongoing business editing other people's footage in a variety of flavors, it can be good to keep up with the latest versions. The bad side is you no longer have a stable editing platform, and troubleshooting why you can't play, render or import certain footage, can take up most of your time.

For me, I own my own camera gear. Mostly XDCam stuff, a number of EX1s, an EX3, some extra lenses, and CS3 has been serving me well for the past 7 years. I recently upgraded to CS6 to gain Mercury Playback Engine GPU features, and that's been fantastic. I'm well served for HD work. However, now that I have the FS7, I am stuck working in QFHD with Shogun Prores files, due to the XAVC missing in CS6. Since I want stability, and not a series of updates and troubleshooting sessions with Adobe techs (read some of those threads, you'll be shocked at how inept India's support staff are at Adobe), I will buy into another software package that offers a perpetual license and a stable version that I can continue to use for 4K work.

If CC is working for you, great, but it's definitely not for me, given the 'feast or famine' nature of work since 2010. I had regular recital work until the rich kids' parents lost their investments, so I don't see any of that anymore. I still do orchestra work and music teaching videos, though I'll often go a year or more between gigs. If it weren't for my amplifier repair business, I'd have starved to death or had my home stolen for back taxes by now.
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Sounds like you're making the right decision for your business then.

I haven't had any serious bug issues with CC, but it doesn't surprise me that others have. One thing worth noting is that the CC subscription allows you to intentionally download older versions of the CC software - so for bugs that are limited to specific releases, you can avoid them with a bit of effort. I beleive you can have multiple versions installed at the same time as well, for workflows that require it. And I'd also point out that some bugs are relative to hardware and non Adobe software installed - and only occur under specific circumstances. Of course, FCP7 had notorious bugs, and everyone just worked around them, forever.

I had CS5.5, but it didn't take advantage of the Retina display, and wasn't as optimized for multi-core, I don't think. I beleive CS6 does better on those counts - but as I only owned CS5.5, i was looking at paying to upgrade or moving straight to CC. Everyone's situation is different.
 
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