You are uninformed. It is prohibited by federal law.
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You are uninformed. It is prohibited by federal law.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
The prohibition only applies to people who meet a very high standard of illness and have been institutionally processed to confirm that. I read about cases all the time where an active shooter was generally known to be unhinged and had no problem getting a gun.
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/mental-health-reporting-in-new-york/
These laws in NY are closer to what I would consider appropriate for gun ownership.
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/domestic-violence-and-firearms-in-new-york/[/SUP]
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Earlier, NorBro had implied that a perfectly normal, law-abiding citizen might just be having a bad day and reach for their gun and shoot someone. I don't know if that's true exactly. But without the gun, all you end up with is a shouting match or a fist fight, in all likelihood.
No, I'm not ok with 21,000 murders.
And reducing the availability and lethality of guns should bring that down. I'm just explaining why people consider mass shootings to be a public health issue even if the number of victims is far fewer than murders generally. We've had people shoot up churches, schools, WalMarts. It could happen anywhere, anytime.
Doug Jensen
Carbonite Member
Well, if I'm on a subway, maybe I'd jsut put the other guy in a chokehold and strangle him to death if he's irritating me. Saves the cost of a bullet.
NorBro
Major Contributor
I just saw a clip of a dude trying to sucker punch a weatherman after they both pulled over after a gentle swipe on the freeway. The dashcam caught it perfectly. The way the dude swung and the 1-2mm that the weatherman moved his head out of the way was probably just enough to save his life or at least serious injury with how that punch was wound up and coming at him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2YI69O5bnU
Guns or not, a lot of violence happens when tempers flare, too.
Paul saying above that the coverage of mass shootings doesn't help is so right. I sometimes think that it actually produces more of them.
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But one thing we all need to stop doing is referring to bar graphs and pie charts for every single piece of information when forming an opinion.
Yeah, of course we hope the information is valid from the stand up organization that are providing it, but we cannot verify the information. Especially in other countries.
[DLD mentions it sometimes, but if you go to other places overseas - and you're not aware of the practices - some the information you might hear about the USA is shocking.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2YI69O5bnU
Guns or not, a lot of violence happens when tempers flare, too.
Paul saying above that the coverage of mass shootings doesn't help is so right. I sometimes think that it actually produces more of them.
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But one thing we all need to stop doing is referring to bar graphs and pie charts for every single piece of information when forming an opinion.
Yeah, of course we hope the information is valid from the stand up organization that are providing it, but we cannot verify the information. Especially in other countries.
[DLD mentions it sometimes, but if you go to other places overseas - and you're not aware of the practices - some the information you might hear about the USA is shocking.]
Run&Gun
Veteran
Honest question. Does this include deaths by police shootings or just civilians pulling the trigger?
Run&Gun
Veteran
One of the reasons that, as a general rule, suicides are not covered in the news (there are some exceptions).
ahalpert
Major Contributor
I'm actually not sure and looking back at it, it's not clear to me. But I think that law enforcement-related gun deaths are less than 4% of total gun deaths, judging by an article in the NYT about gun deaths in 2021.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/06/h...cides-cdc.html
So, 1,600 accidents/police shootings against 47,000 murders/suicides
ahalpert
Major Contributor
I sort of feel the opposite way... like if they showed pictures of the the gunshot wounds that some of these poor children died by... the debate would end instantly. I couldn't even make it through an article about what the Sandy Hook CSI team experienced.
But I think that the way the coverage is handled might lead to copycat killings because we gloss over the most gruesome aspects and focus on the fear and the numbers. The killer becomes famous. (Apparently the Florida high school shooter gets sent nude photos from his admirers. Although I think a lot of that comes from the thinking that there was no mass shooting, it's just a liberal conspiracy to take away our guns and this guy is a hero.)
ahalpert
Major Contributor
You're right, we can't verify any information we read and we should form opinions on the basis of what our gut tells us
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Usually, the alternative is learning from the bullshit your old man told you. Seriously, most of the conservatives in this country who think that NYC is a hellscape have never been there and they get their information from people who have never been there either and are purely biased. Take a look at the data, and often it's safer than where they live
NorBro
Major Contributor
That's true - and you can say things about a lot of places - but it depends on the data and who's being exposed to what and how.
If all people hear and read is, stabbing this, shooting that, in NYC then their minds will have already been made up before they see any pretty numbers chart from a designer.
Plus, with the city's reputation and how it was and looked in the 70s/80s/90s, it takes years if not decades to change stigmas.
NYC deserves more of this hellscape bias than it doesn't unless you're decently rich and you live so high up on Central Park that at some point the rats don't even bother climbing the stairs anymore.
If all people hear and read is, stabbing this, shooting that, in NYC then their minds will have already been made up before they see any pretty numbers chart from a designer.
Plus, with the city's reputation and how it was and looked in the 70s/80s/90s, it takes years if not decades to change stigmas.
NYC deserves more of this hellscape bias than it doesn't unless you're decently rich and you live so high up on Central Park that at some point the rats don't even bother climbing the stairs anymore.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Sure, and where did people learn about NYC in the 80s from? From newspapers. And the only problem is that they haven't bothered to update their conception of the city from more recent (or less biased) newspapers.
Rats -- right, there are no rats in rural areas. (Well, mice more likely.) The point is that you're not likely to become a victim of violent crime in most parts of NYC. We're talking about violent crime. And that's true in Harlem now. That's true in Brooklyn. Even parts of Brooklyn that were still dodgy 10 years ago are gentrifying at lighting speed (such as Bedford-Stuyvesant (where Jay-Z grew up). I lived in the south Bronx for 4 years and never had an incident, even wandering the streets in the dead of night. There are still dangerous parts of the city, but they're easy to avoid and fewer than there used to be.
NorBro
Major Contributor
Fiddy once said... "Get caught in the wrong hood, you get filled up with holes."
(And Hov lived there in the late 80s/90s and sold crack, lol...his words, not mine.)
I would lean more to believing what you wrote than not believing it, but I simply can't prove it so I don't comment on such matters.
As a nobody, I wouldn't be the one convincing anyone how safe or unsafe New York is because I don't live in the city anymore, and the world and life itself made me unable to trust anything or anyone, including data.
As someone in power, with my livelihood and money dependent on the city's reputation, I would be lying through my teeth to make sure everyone knows how safe it is. (During Covid when there was all that talk around the country/world underreporting or overreporting deaths from the virus for various financial gain(s), I saw a conversation that said it's nothing New York hasn't been doing for the last 20 years, or something like that. IDK. Just saw it once then.)
Never really thought about it...but, yeah, if money is on the line, this place is totally the safest it's ever been!
(And Hov lived there in the late 80s/90s and sold crack, lol...his words, not mine.)
I would lean more to believing what you wrote than not believing it, but I simply can't prove it so I don't comment on such matters.
As a nobody, I wouldn't be the one convincing anyone how safe or unsafe New York is because I don't live in the city anymore, and the world and life itself made me unable to trust anything or anyone, including data.
As someone in power, with my livelihood and money dependent on the city's reputation, I would be lying through my teeth to make sure everyone knows how safe it is. (During Covid when there was all that talk around the country/world underreporting or overreporting deaths from the virus for various financial gain(s), I saw a conversation that said it's nothing New York hasn't been doing for the last 20 years, or something like that. IDK. Just saw it once then.)
Never really thought about it...but, yeah, if money is on the line, this place is totally the safest it's ever been!
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Right, rappers are famously more accurate and honest than police statistics. An interviewer (maybe David Letterman) asked Jay-Z about something that happened in a song and Jay-Z said it never happened and then told him that when a rapper raps about something, "9 times out of 10 they lying."
See, that's fine but then the conclusion should be that you don't know enough to formulate an opinion, not that you're going to fall back on your prior.
Anyway, average rent for a studio apt in Bed-Stuy is now $2,350 and Shake Shack and Chipotle are opening locations in the area https://www.renthop.com/average-rent-in/bedford-stuyvesant-new-york-ny
Death statistics are among the most reliable because you can't disappear or reclassify dead bodies so easily. Cause of death, possibly. Death itself, no.
Run&Gun
Veteran
I understand where you’re going with this and thinking about a child being shot is horrible, but as someone that used to shoot news, most gunshot wounds are not gruesome (looking). It’s not like the movies and TV. The only sorta bad one I ever saw was an elderly gentleman who committed suicide on his front porch. Shot himself in the head.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Was Matthew McConaughey full of **** then? I have no idea.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...be-identified-by-green-converse-sneakers/amp/
NorBro
Major Contributor
You have like this little complex/syndrome where you take bits & pieces and jump all over the place trying to frantically prove your points. Usually with links to graphs. Wasn't even finished talking about guns and I get sucked into New York's gentrification status.
I didn't joke about the rappers so you can throw them back into my face as if I was saying they are more accurate than data.
I actually said I don't trust anyone.
Yes, that's a famous interview with J and he elaborated in other instances about how rappers had to evolve in today's times to become actors and characters who told stories to make money in the business, but also never disputed that many of them lived the life they spoke about. (I could name 20 rappers who have felonies and at least 10 who have spent time in prison...at least by what the Internet/police says.)
lol