Abuse of the Dvx100a

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collie

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I was out on a shot last weekend and saw no less than 3 different people with the dvx100a. I was shocked,one guy had it on the city street with no care what so ever! I spoke with him about the camera and he said" oh,I was in film school and they tell everyone to buy this so you can make a movie" He basically told me ,everyone says its a "movie in a box" The secnd guy had it hanging out the side of a car,it was being carried like it was a baseball glove.The third guy had the same comment "everybody said to buy this" Upon research you will find that even after 3 years, it is almost impossible to find a dvx movie in video stores or theaters. In fact my Lawyer told me over the same first 3 years of camera introduction , the xl1 had many more films in video stores than the first 3 years of the dvx.
The point being so many people who dont need the dvx are buying it. As a lady told me in B&H last week "The guy said I need 24p," was she doing a film? NO

People need to know that the dvx will not get you a movie in the video stores or the theaters, only a good story will. The dvx is an incedible camera but the hype surrounding all these cameras is ridiculous. My Lawyer told me of a guy last week whos film he sold for a lot of money,the film was shot on a regular consumer minidv camera($400, no 24p) ,he said it was a great story with great actors and high production value.I will not mention the camera because someone might run out to buy it because a film was shot and sold on it. I apologize for the long post but the over promotion off the dvx and all these other new cameras is just that, promotion for sales! Think before you buy or as we do in the film industry.....rent!

Hope this saves someone money
 
not exactly sure what you are all up in arms about.

wouldn't worry about mentioning that $400 camera, don't think you'll cause a run on sales or anything. if someone asked me to recommend a minidv camera to shoot an independent movie on, I would recommend the dvx without hesitation or blinking.
 
How does your lawyer know about film production? I wouldn't call this dvx abuse, this is pretty standard when a new camera comes out and it kicks ass. Like anything you'll have a lot of people clamoring for it. Your post reads like a complaint from 2003. Back then the hype was almost unbearable. Who cares.
 
The thing I would call DVX abuse is if uwe boll got ahold of one and tried to make a movie of tetris because "the characters in that game are so complex"
 
So while you and your lawyer are discussing the sales activity of various cameras on the market during the shoot...

Oh nevermind. What's that smell?
 
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Re: Abuse of DVXa

In response to the DVX abuse comment: We live in a society that demands access the newest of new. Just look at the car industry...people lease and don't buy because they want to have the newest thing out. In fact, many car companies are following Toyota's Prius in using a keyless/push-button starter. The point being that people in film school believe they need the best right from the start. This is not necessarily the best way to go about it. I am a public school teacher who began using multimedia last year. I started by buying disposable cameras, a scanner, and i-movie to create DVD yearbooks for my students. I graduated to a digital SLR this year and Final Cut. With practice, I have developed some impressive work, to my surprise. I was even approached to do a spot for a major high-tech firm in the Silicon Valley. With these positive experiences under my belt, I felt confident attempting true video format with the DVX100a and am quite excited about what I will come up with. Is the DVX for community college film students buying their first equipment? In most situations, this is probably not the case. We all, however, realize at some time, our personally creative outlets. If the finances are available and the desire is there, then we have an obligation to ourselves to pursue what makes us happy. I do not think the DVX is hyped; rather it present for those of thus who wish to document our exploration of the human experience, whether it be short films, corporate spots, or home movies.
 
think this thread could become an argument where there really isn't one. dvx is a great camera. learning a trade isn't all about having the best gear.

but i will point out that one of the great things about the dvx is that it offers all types of manual settings that were never available at this price point before. its feature set is great for someone learning camera work.
 
My DVX gets some pretty hard work. It gets used as much as any other tool. It is not mistreated, but it is not super babied either. I would hang it out of a window if I knew I could get a killer shot. Screw it...make it work for you. I often see new DVX owners with very expensive cases and a huge concern for being careful with the camera, I think it gets a bit over-zealous. I'm not advocating being reckless, but get funky if you need to.

As far as people running out and buying the camera based on word of mouth feedback,..hey that's how the world works.

Have fun.
Chris
 
Hey Guys,I wasnt putting the dvx down at all. It is a fantastic camera, my problem is that people really dont need 24p to learn filmmaking and many people are buying 24p because its the latest marketing catch word,like the lady in B&H if you read the original post again . As for the movies posted in video stores. I live in a city called the capital of all media and the only one of those videos that was listed by imdb in blockbuster or hollywood video was "Incident at loch ness"
Also on many large film sets there are ususally a lawyer or two and plenty of down time to talk.
Again this is not an arguement but a comment on advertisment. Also ,the guy with the camera out the window of the car wasnt shooting a scene but carelessly talking with the camera hangout out of the car like a toy.
 
Collie...I truly don't understand this statement

I was shocked,one guy had it on the city street with no care what so ever!

Could you elaborate?
 
Actually a few people who bought DVX's but don't have the balls to shoot anything. First thing they ask is "How did you get all those awesome actors?"

It really thows them on a loop when I tell them I don't own the camera I just rent it and I didn't even have to pay my actors.

Food, a good script and set a balls is a good start to actually shooting a flick.
 
Mino said:
Collie...I truly don't understand this statement

I was shocked,one guy had it on the city street with no care what so ever!

Could you elaborate?
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LMAO. Sorry. That is funny though.

Ya know; who cares what people are buying honestly? So there's people with the DVX100 that probally don't 'Need' it. So what. ONe time I was walking in the Gaslamp and this dude had a baseball cap on. I was shocked.
 
collie said:
I was out on a shot last weekend and saw no less than 3 different people with the dvx100a. I was shocked,one guy had it on the city street with no care what so ever! I spoke with him about the camera and he said" oh,I was in film school and they tell everyone to buy this so you can make a movie" He basically told me ,everyone says its a "movie in a box" The secnd guy had it hanging out the side of a car,it was being carried like it was a baseball glove.The third guy had the same comment "everybody said to buy this" Upon research you will find that even after 3 years, it is almost impossible to find a dvx movie in video stores or theaters. In fact my Lawyer told me over the same first 3 years of camera introduction , the xl1 had many more films in video stores than the first 3 years of the dvx.
The point being so many people who dont need the dvx are buying it. As a lady told me in B&H last week "The guy said I need 24p," was she doing a film? NO

People need to know that the dvx will not get you a movie in the video stores or the theaters, only a good story will. The dvx is an incedible camera but the hype surrounding all these cameras is ridiculous. My Lawyer told me of a guy last week whos film he sold for a lot of money,the film was shot on a regular consumer minidv camera($400, no 24p) ,he said it was a great story with great actors and high production value.I will not mention the camera because someone might run out to buy it because a film was shot and sold on it. I apologize for the long post but the over promotion off the dvx and all these other new cameras is just that, promotion for sales! Think before you buy or as we do in the film industry.....rent!

Hope this saves someone money
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Basically what our new friend collie has said here is perfectly true. For most people, the DVX is massive over spending....

As far as shooting on a regular consumer minidv camera, he's right as well. It isn't hard to do a little post work that will make it look like it was shot on a DVX. Norm's latest little clip had people here believing it was shot on a DVX....

Hype sells, remember, you all want the HVX.
 
You want to talk about real dvx abuse? How about buying a 3500 camera and having it sit in your closet for months without use? That's real abuse. I'd much rather see a person holding a camera out of a window than having it sit in a closet collecting dust. Inactivity is a much bigger abuse of the dvx.
 
Whether or not people actually "need" 24P is kind of a non-issue. Does anyone remember the short lived AG-DVC80? it was identical in nearly every way to the DVX100 without the 24P. It just didn't sell. It was such a slow mover, they discontinued it pretty quickly. Nevermind the fact that only 1 out of every 3 DVX users really need 24P. The fact is that everyone who buys one is willing to spend the money on it (or their parents money in many cases). The market will dictate what sells and who cares if some over confident film school student smashes their camera into pieces.
 
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