A One (or Two) Step Pulldown Removal and Transcode Process

janusz

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Hey all,

I've been quite determined to find a workflow that not only removes Pulldown and transcodes the GH1's .mts files in one step, but also retains as much quality as possible (I'm not convinced that FCP's L&T + JES option doesn't soften the image - I mostly believe this because I really don't trust FCP for anything except editing).

And I've found a process that I think holds up for both elements, sharpness and 23.976fps.

I imported a .mts into After Effects CS5. I selected the Clip in the Panel and then went into the "Interpret Footage" menu and had AE remove the Pulldown by selecting "Guess 3:2 Cadence", (because I wasn't sure of the pulldown phase that the GH1 employs - anyone know?). From there, I assembled a new Composition and AE automatically matched the Comp. settings to the Clip settings (which then read as 23.976 in the Panel - directly after import it was 29.97). Next, I added the Comp. to the Render Queue, choose my desired settings and created a ProRes LT QT.

Obvious downside, as for as I know right now, it can only be done clip by clip, as supposed to the pseudo 'Batch' Log/Capture/Transfer method with FCP L&T. But I heard "The Social Network" ran some kind of Post Script to get AE to act in a 'Batch'/Conform sort of way. So maybe there's a trick to do multiple Compositions at once!

I'm pretty through when I transcode (and I love the way Shake converts files - and downsizes - from DPX sequences), so I tested an alternative workflow...

Following the same steps as above, except I chose DPX/Cineon Sequence as my Export/Render Settings in the AE Render Queue. Once the DPX seq. was created, I brought it into Shake and had Shake output a beautiful ProRes LT 23.98 QT with a hint of grain.

I'm shooting some formal camera tests tomorrow with my GH1 (with a less potent, and 29.97, version of Mark Crabtree's 54mbps patch) and some Red Pro Primes. In a few days, I'll post a comparison test of the the two methods I just described and the FCP L&T + JES workflow. And we can see if there is any difference in sharpness, motion, etc.
 
I should mention, I did absolutely no research on the GH1 and AE, so if there is a known issue with the two then I apologize for my ignorance. Playing with this process was the FIRST time that I actually completed anything in AE. If this process has been dismissed in the past simply due to it's clip-by-clip nature, I completely see the reason for it. But if someone knows some tips for it I'd love to hear them, especially when it comes to quality control and color management.

Anyway, thanks for reading everyone.
 
I don't think FCP L&T degrades the image at all. Maybe JES is doing it? I use compressor to remove pulldown after log and transfer.
 
After shooting some more tests, I've discovered that choosing "Guess 3:2 Pulldown" in the AE "Interpret Footage" menu removes the pulldown incorrectly (motion artifacting and visible interlacing). Does anyone happen to know the Pulldown cadence/phase that the GH1 uses?

I will post footage results as soon as possible.
 
AE ProRes vs. Shake DPX ProRes

AE ProRes vs. Shake DPX ProRes

Hey guys,

Following the steps posted above, here are the results.

Sharpness-wise, I think they are akin to each other. But I find the chroma of the AE/DPX/SHAKE workflow much more pleasing and natural.
 

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Sorry. Re-post.

File naming got switched.

This is correct.

How do I post them larger?
 

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Yet another re-post.

Here are all three, now including FCP/JES/PRORESLT.

Looks as DPX/Shake and FCP/JES are very similar. I think the JES 2.22 gamma default is the only (extremely slight) apparent difference between the two.

The only way to compare detail retention and resolution is to shoot a Resolution Chart/Sharpness Indicator.

So as it seems, FCP/JES's two-step process beats out what I thought may have been a workflow that would yield better results. However, if I can find a suitable gamma or color space profile for the project in AE, perhaps I can find a workflow that renders the same chroma as the FCP/JES and DPX/SHAKE workflow but in ONE STEP!

FCP>JES>PRORESLT.jpgAE>PRORES LT.jpgAE>DPX>SHAKE>PRORES LT.jpg
 
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