60P not recorded to card during S&Q shot? Is this possible?

plasticam

plasticam

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Could someone please give me an idiot check?

An editor called to say the 60P footage we rolled yesterday is not showing up like 60P even after ClipWrap.

I engaged S&Q set to 60 fps, the screen darkened accordingly to the reduced exposure time which is my que that the overcrank is engaged correctly in camera.

Is there some horrible gotcha in the Menu somewhere whereby all the above can happen and you are still not getting the overcrank to card?

My format setting was 1080P/24- but when engaging S&Q motion this should not matter.

FCP 7 legacy is treating it as 24P - not 60P.

Any thoughts? Thanks.
 
This was recorded onto a SanDisc 30mb/sec Class 8 card.
I'm suspecting the card. Anyone have experience rolling onto a card incapable of 60P and the camera not giving a error warning? Is this actually possible in 2012?

Camera
Yeah I'm laying this down in 60P for ya!

Camera (aside to Gremlin)
Actually I'm not
 
S+Q will record as 60/24 on a 24 timeline

Maybe the editor doesnt know what he is looking at - if the shot was smashing a pumpkin (for example) 60 is not that slow..

S
 
Thanks Morgan. You nailed it. I called editor and asked him if he knew how slow 60fps "appeared".

Apparently not. it was confetti falling over a cell phone up close so it was understandable he didn't SEE it.

He found what y'all prob know - The FS100 in S&Q writes 60 fps to a 24p wrapper such that the clip reads in the
settings and metadata as 23.98 not 60. This is what threw him I suspect.
 
Hey Caleb,

plasticam said:
I engaged S&Q set to 60 fps... My format setting was 1080P/24
Click to expand...

So what this tells the camera to do is grab one frame every 1/60 second, then stuff each frame into an MTS file; but set the meta-data on the file to say "1080P/24".

This is different to just setting the camera's frame rate to 60 FPS without S&Q; that would tell the camera to grab one frame every 1/60 second and tag the file as "1080P/60".

So in your case, with S&Q, you should end up with a 24 FPS file, but when you play it the action should be slowed down 2.5 times (or IOW should be running at 40% of normal speed).

For slow-mo, I find it helps to remember that the movie file is just a bunch of pictures stuffed together in one file. What the file's meta-data says is it is somewhat irrelevant. You can use (sorry, Premiere Pro terminology here, as that's what I know) "Interpret footage as" to tell your NLE to treat the footage as whatever frame rate you like (normally the frame rate of your movie).

I really wouldn't suspect the card ... if the card can't handle the data rate, you would get an error or garbage, not correct-but-too-fast footage.

BTW, when shooting slow-mo, I have generally not used S&Q; I just set the frame rate to 60 FPS. Then I later interpret the footage as whatever I want it to be -- usually 30, giving me a 2x slow-down.

Hope this helps....
 
Yep, this caught me first time I over cranked. There are two ways of recording 60p/50p one at PS bit rate and the other at FX bit rate.
 
I love S+Q - one button change the shutter speed and you are good to go

Shame that sound is lost and also that you have to change the shutter too - if you could set shutter angle then it really would be one button..

S
 
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