5DII DOES 1080P footage!!!!!!

Obviously this is a response to D90.Then ....why remove the 24p feature.

Only for the "strategic market factor ", I will not consider it.
 
From a technical standpoint, how hard would it be for a firmware update to include a slower 24FPS mode? It seems to me this cam has the brains to record FEWER frames per second, right? (The frame rate isn't locked into the sensor tech itself?) And it's not like we're asking it to do MORE than it's specced to do.

And perhaps a reduction to 24FPS would offer the possibility of minimizing the jello-vision even further - although we haven't yet seen example of that effect yet, so who knows?

And for all you 30P defenders, kindly ST(Fudge)U. We want choice, Canon!

24P rules, and also 30P on a 23.98 timeline gives the option for slight (20%) slo-mo effects. Why not ask for ALL frame rates of which the sensor is capable?

Carry on.
 
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dvpixl said:
I sure as hell would not watch any narrative shot on 60p and expect it to entertain me anymore than 'Days of Our Lives' would.
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Okay, this is kind of a silly statement don't ya think? I don't watch "Days of Our Lives" because of so many things other than frame rate. Oh let me see, there's the horrific writing, bad directing, sub par acting, mediocre lighting and the audience it caters too. The least of which is frame rate.

I'm thinking if all things being equal but 'Apocalypse Now', 'American Beauty', 'Good Fellas' and tons of other classics were shot in 30p, I would still be blown away by the DP work, script, acting, and directing.

Are you saying you couldn't watch 'Good Fellas' if it was shot in 30p? Really? I think you would get over that hurdle in the first five minutes of that movie.

I watch great movies for the content, not the flicker.

I'm not saying I disagree. I guess I would prefer 24p given the option, but it's just one factor of many to consider. For instance, it doesn't seem to me that the DVX has as good of color rendition, saturation or contrast as the D90. A great photo is a great photo, it doesn't stop being a great photo once it starts moving at 30p, right? Wouldn't you rather watch a Scorsese, Coppola, or Kubrick film at 30p over a Alan Smithee film at 24p or is it the frame rate that instills the greatness in a film. If so, that's a pretty magical specification, and I must absolutely have it on my video camera.
 
Just checked the german press release. It says: "framerates UP to 30P"!!! I'm quite sure that the camera will have at least 25P. Nobody in Europe would never ever buy a video camera that only shoots 30P, it would be TOTALLY USELESS FOR SERIOUS SHOOTING. But 24P and 25P would be allright for many things.

So, very confident 24P or 25P will be a feature!
 
f64manray said:
Wouldn't you rather watch a Scorsese, Coppola, or Kubrick film at 30p over a Alan Smithee film at 24p or is it the frame rate that instills the greatness in a film. If so, that's a pretty magical specification, and I must absolutely have it on my video camera.
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You missed the point entirely. Shooting at 24fps will yield a look (from a purely technical point of view, disregarding lighting etc.) that reminds you of Scorsese, not soap opera, so that's the first step. Getting everything else right is a completely separate discussion.

If you want the style of your painting to resemble your favorite oil painters, you don't begin working the canvas with a spray can and call it evolution.
 
joe 1008 said:
Just checked the german press release. It says: "framerates UP to 30P"!!!
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This would be excellent news, but it remains to be seen. DPReview writes:
"You can define the size (1920 x 1080 or VGA) however other settings (such as frame rate; 30 fps and compression level) are fixed."
 
The great thing is that the bitrate actually appears to be FIXED!, Not a bottom dropper like the d90.
Sweet.

Hopefully some Photokina folks will shoot a pan, report on actual control levels, etc..
 
Really? Not even 24 hours and 8 page's of 30fps vs. 24fps arguments?

OK, we get it! it's an issue for some people, and not others. Anyone that steps into this thread will see that, so lets try and focus on other things now. This thread has already taken a redundant path.

Let's PLEASE try and keep this thread more organized than the D90 one.
 
I just talked to Canon tech support. He says it is only 30p. Take it for what it's worth. He doesn't know if it is fully manual in video mode. The audio "in" mini jack is stereo.
 
Let the games begin!

It's clear that both P&S (PowerShot SX1 IS) and DSLR cameras have arrived as major players in the consumer, prosumer and professional video markets (which IMO will spell doom for the likes of handheld consumer camcorders in the next 18-24 months).

I think the reactions to the 5D Mk II shows that buyers will demand ultimate performance as both a still and video camera in one package.

The 5D Mk II will be positioned in a tough place as several professional camera options (including Red 3k) will be tough to compete with if your primary focus is video.
 
according to rob galbraith it isn't fully manual. we already knew that.
check the links posted before

- typical maximum clip length possible - 12 minutes
- video format is MPEG4
- no controls for setting frame rate or compression level.
- Sound is captured either by a built-in mono mic or by an external mic connected to a 3.5mm stereo mic jack
- Mic levels are adjusted automatically, with no manual override
- We're not certain about what the range of exposure controls on the 5D Mark II in video mode will be, though a few things are clear: shutter speed will be set automatically (between 1/30 and 1/125), any lens aperture can be selected, brightness can be locked prior to the commencement of video capture, or brightness can be controlled automatically by the camera. What facility there will be for adjusting exposure during recording, if any, we don't know.
 
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Originally posted by Elton
Here's a piece from a doc I've been working on that was shot HVX 720/30p with a Brevis plus Nikon/Canon glass.

http://vimeo.com/1647785
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WOW! That is exactly what I mean, will the average viewer know, or care, that you shot this on 30P instead of 24P? A six FPS difference of the same images? Absolutely not. It is a powerful story beautifully shot. Keep up the good work.
 
haha, wow.

No 24p, 30p sucks.

Lets hope red does a better job

Why cant canon and nikon get their act together


These are some amazing statements I'm reading right now. THESE ARE DSLR STILL CAMERAS. These are not video cameras, and I highly doubt that either manufacturer is intending any of you to go shoot your next "masterpiece" on one.

Far as I'm concerned its a feature that shouldn't have been added to the DSLR line.
 
John Caballero said:
Originally posted by Elton


WOW! That is exactly what I mean, will the average viewer know, or care, that you shot this on 30P instead of 24P? A six FPS difference of the same images? Absolutely not. It is a powerful story beautifully shot. Keep up the good work.
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it looks like TV, not at all like film. sorry to say that. 30p is 30p
movement and colors both.
 
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