5D RAW in 4K?
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Not quite 4K (e.g. 3.2, 3.5 etc.), however looks good scaled to 4K on YT:
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I had 2 5D III's- kept a lot longer for stills and experimenting with ML RAW (now sold). Still looks great in 2019. Here's something I shot in ML RAW in HD. Was testing how well I could zoom and manual focus while moving around quickly. Skintones still look better than the C300 II I had and perhaps even better then the current cameras I'm using (1DX II, EOS R). I had to create improved custom picture styles to get better skintones for the 1DX II & EOS R (more DR than the 5D3 and decent AF). With ML RAW, it just looked great, straight from camera (similar comments from ARRI users). The Sony Venice also lends to this kind of look. Too bad the X-T3 and S1H don't have this kind of color (and better AF); with some work in post I could make an A7 III look like this (expect the A7S III to look more like this straight from camera when its released in 2030
).
I didn't do much color grading for this test- today I'd make the skintones look even better with a small amount more work (e.g. some parts a tad too green).
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I had 2 5D III's- kept a lot longer for stills and experimenting with ML RAW (now sold). Still looks great in 2019. Here's something I shot in ML RAW in HD. Was testing how well I could zoom and manual focus while moving around quickly. Skintones still look better than the C300 II I had and perhaps even better then the current cameras I'm using (1DX II, EOS R). I had to create improved custom picture styles to get better skintones for the 1DX II & EOS R (more DR than the 5D3 and decent AF). With ML RAW, it just looked great, straight from camera (similar comments from ARRI users). The Sony Venice also lends to this kind of look. Too bad the X-T3 and S1H don't have this kind of color (and better AF); with some work in post I could make an A7 III look like this (expect the A7S III to look more like this straight from camera when its released in 2030
).
SJX
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Thanks. So the 4K is more of a gimmick then? 8 sec. is not very long. Is this card dependent or fixed limit? It records 4K basically only in funky 2.5 aspect ratio which is not even tall enough to be scope. So I guess you must crop side losing even more rez?
The 4K clip doesn't look great. Seems dropped frames or something. DR is not great. Seems bit crushed and very DSLR-ish. I know 5D is DSLR. But 5D RAW is pimped as not looking DSLR. Maybe is just the grade. Sharpness is only ok. Not great either for 4K.
The 4K clip doesn't look great. Seems dropped frames or something. DR is not great. Seems bit crushed and very DSLR-ish. I know 5D is DSLR. But 5D RAW is pimped as not looking DSLR. Maybe is just the grade. Sharpness is only ok. Not great either for 4K.
David W. Jones
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I sold my 5DmkIII some time back. But the ML 2K raw out of it looked pretty darn good.
Anybody?
NorBro
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It's mostly used for fun or for fast-paced independent projects (music videos, quick promo videos...nothing serious where someone else's money is on the line).
But does it work? Yes, it does. And it provides better quality than the cameras' internal recording, but IMO it's not worth the time spent getting there when modern 4K cameras are available for little money that will provide the same or better quality.
But does it work? Yes, it does. And it provides better quality than the cameras' internal recording, but IMO it's not worth the time spent getting there when modern 4K cameras are available for little money that will provide the same or better quality.
Bassman2003
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Bingo. Now if they could get the mkIV to shoot RAW 4K without the crop then it would be stop the presses. the RAW 1080p on the mkIII has tons more resolution than the internal recording. If you are an owner it is definitly worth it.
SJX
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Yes sure modern cameras. But what I like about 5d raw is the color and image. How much better than internal recording? Anybody has measured how much resolution it resolves with 4K raw?
SJX
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How much more? Can't find any tests or info on actual resolved lines of the 4K raw.
Bassman2003
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I have only worked with the 1080p RAW... It creates a very nice image. As for the 4k, it seems like it is a bridge too far for that era camera imho.
NorBro
Major Contributor
Just use your eyes and brain. If it looks good, who cares? You know?
Like what kind of outcome would you come to after measuring ALEXA's 'actual resolved lines' of resolution?
It doesn't matter; there is more to an image than all of these numbers people are always thinking about (resolution, bits, color space, bitrate).
It does if you need to deliver a proper 4K image. I'm sure it's a gorgeous 1080p image, but can it pass for 4K ?
NorBro
Major Contributor
If you're in a position having to deliver a 'proper' 4K image to your superiors then you're highly unlikely to be using a hacked [and potentially unstable] stills camera for video.
When you add in a shooting time of 8 seconds, it seems like the perfect camera.
SJX
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Is important because if it's HD then there are also other options to consider. I must know. But not even cinema5D tested. Can't find test or review. Strange.