5D Mk 3 vs C100 or C300

Dr., you have some decisions to make! . . . As far as CF vs SD, I have no real preference. CF is a little larger and easier to keep track of & handle. I do not see the reason to hate them.

I do for sure have some decisions to make and think that I am closing in on them. As you pointed out, cost is a major factor. I don't like having a lot of $$$ wrapped up in equipment that overnight become dinosaurs. I am reminded of my HVX200's that I had and all those terribly expensive P2 cards, why I had nearly 20 grand in that bundle with cases and lens attachments only to learn that it was all my BIG commercial dual xeon HP units could do to edit that stuff let alone multi cam was virtually impossible. But fortunately i thought ahead, perhaps like now, and within the first two years of ownership unloaded them on other new "wanna be" hi def'ers and recovered at least 80% of my capital. Now just the other day, for the heck of it mind you, I looked on ebay and a camera with multiple p2 cards and hard panny case like i had sold for under a $1000. Geez! Just one P2 card was more than that. Yikes!!

SD vs CF isn't easy. I love the robust look and feel of the CF. I especially like that when inserting into a camera it feels like a tiny film canister as opposed to the tiny flimsy feel of an SD card. However, in defense of the SD card matter, it is much easer to slip into a camera in a rush, a hard metal enclosure water proof case with six to eight cards in it fits comfortably in my pocket, virtually every consumer and prosumer and more and more pro gear now use it, the price is easy pocket change for excellent quality ones, and finally (perhaps as important as all the above) there is a slot in my mac that just loves the things. Moreover, I have actually edited video footage and photo images right from the card including keeping Premier Pro and/or Lightroom project files on the card. In fact, the price of the card has gotten so low that one can almost consider them a "floppy drive" concept and at less than a buck a gig now for SanDisc's, the floppy idea is certainly conceivable. I only know of one photographer who bent a pin on a CF and I dare say I would never want that to be me. At my suggestion he found a solution in CA that was able to resolve.

On the SDOF issue, positioning-framing and lens choices help a lot in that area. Moreover, I think my video work with a 5D M3 would be limited to movie style shoots and/or good $$$ docs. Otherwise I'd just use the easy to run XA20's. The latter positioned far away and zoomed in make some pretty amazing SDOF look/feel.

Lastly, I think I owe it to myself to examine this 6D a little closer, get more behind the lens time with it (yuck) and see how it's video looks in my hands and on my computer. Watching comparisons online just don't really work for me because by the time YouTube gets through compressing all the digits out of a video it often looks like garbage regardless of whether the source was a cinema or an iPhone. I think I need to MAKE some samples of my own and just make/see if I'm happy with it. After all, it uses SD cards AND I don't need all the extra bells and whistles … like a zillion AF points, I either manual or use center only even when picking outside the center for focus, therein I merely point at the bg or fg subject, push half way to AF, then move the camera carefully to frame the picture. I mean on the 5D M2 I moved the AF point once or twice at the most and even then just to say I did and that I knew how if I ever needed it. The former method was my go to process.

The thing I don't like about the 6D coming from the 5D2 (and Im sure 5D3) is the positioning of buttons and the zoom in/out features that are both uncomfy locations and not responsive to my desire. The 60D button configuration would be much more to my liking but I've already considered it and don't want to give up my FF imager.

No, I think I've concluded that for now, I'll stick with what I have unless I am ok with giving up my FF and moving to a 60D for stills, opting to collect off the difference and then some to get a C100 since that will give me something better.

QUESTION: One question I do have though about the C100, since it appears to be a crop imager, is there a FACTOR to consider with lenses like the 1.6x crop factor on the Canon crop cameras? Or is a 50mm lens a 50mm lens to the C100 or is it an 80mm or the like?
 
My .02...

I think you're being short sighted in regards to SD vs CF cards. I see a hate for CF cards a lot now and I don't get it. Maybe it's just the consumer mentality that has crept into(over run) TV production. In reality, the cost of either types of these cards is really nothing in the scheme of things and CF cards are much more durable and easier to keep track of vs SD. SD does have the convenience factor advantage because EVERYTHING has an SD card slot built into it today, though.

Im not saying that SD cards are bad, I have plenty of them for my 5DMKIII, SD 664 and set-up files for my VariCam's. I'm just saying that I don't think I'd make that the overwhelming deciding factor on a camera purchase.

On to shooting with cameras... I have three 5D's(2x MKII's and a MKIII), a C300 and three Vari's(2x P2's and a tape). I would NOT want to have to shoot video with a 5 or any still camera for that matter. For the record, I bought all of mine for STILLS, even though I have used them a few times(twice in the last 11 months) for third or fourth angle lock-offs, but shooting video with them is akin to sadistic torture. There's a reason why the basic ENG body has gone virtually unchanged all of these years, it's damn near perfect. Even the C series are a pain to shoot with in a lot of situations. I try to limit using it to interviews and artsy b-roll. That being said, they are gorgeous cameras(the images they produce).

Lenses & crop factor... As has been said a million times before, a 50mm lens is a 50mm lens regardless of what camera or sensor it is in front of(kind of like how sensor size technically has nothing to do with dof, it's the lens focal length), it will just have a different FoV. But, to answer your question, compared to a full frame 35 sensor(5D, 6D, etc.) a C series camera with s35 sized sensor would have a "crop factor" of 1.5x. Abel Cine has a very good tool on their site that shows you the difference and calculates FoV, crop factor, etc. between different cameras/sensors and focal lengths.
 
My .02...
. . . I see a hate for CF cards a lot now and I don't get it. Maybe it's just the consumer mentality that has crept into(over run) TV production. . .
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i think you are a 100% on this. more and more non ENG folks are hitting the mainstream of television production (like me for example) and thus they are just looking to get the job done regardless of the specs. for me i was an industrial scientist whose friend owned a tv show and when the industry misplaced all of us high paid execs we found ourselves looking for jobs and would take anything and thus he said he thought i could learn it and accordingly i went on the hunt and discovered that a few dvx100's, pinnacle (later avid) liquid, and some learning on MPEG2 production outputs, and we were in business pumping out weekly shows. then came another show and we were now 100% video production.

for me it was just ease of use by size, weight, etc. i like small gadgets and devices and love it that a small case can fit in my pocket. bear in mind that when i bought my 5dm2 sd cards were still somewhat unreliable. now they are virtually indestructible. I've actually intentionally tried to ruin a couple of them and you have to work to kill them now.

. . . On to shooting with cameras... I bought all of mine for STILLS, even though I have used them a few times(twice in the last 11 months) for third or fourth angle lock-offs, but shooting video with them is akin to sadistic torture. . .

that's why i would have a 5d m3 for stills and some cinema shoots not regular video. for regular video i would use the xa20's and a c100 if i were to get one. otherwise my 5dm3 would be for stills and some video only.

. . . Lenses & crop factor... it's the lens focal length), it will just have a different FoV. But, to answer your question, compared to a full frame 35 sensor(5D, 6D, etc.) a C series camera with s35 sized sensor would have a "crop factor" of 1.5x. Abel Cine has a very good tool on their site that shows you the difference and calculates FoV, crop factor, etc. between different cameras/sensors and focal lengths.

then the question is answered. if a c100 would have to use a crop factor then i would NOT want a c100. meaning that if i mount a 50mm lens on a c100 and then to get the focal length i have multiple my 1.6x then that camera would do me no good at all. its the reason i did not buy a much cheaper 60d over the 6D ff camera. again i'd stick with my xa20's for video (some video on 6d) and the full view 6d for photo.
 
This is three pages of theoretical discussion that can be entirely dismissed by just getting both cameras in hand and looking at the results.
 
if a c100 would have to use a crop factor then i would NOT want a c100

The Full Frame 35mm still photo format is NOT a standard film/video format, so in terms of film-making the modern standard is Super35 format there is no "film-making" lens crop for a C100 camera.

You should definitely take a look at the Abelcine FOV Tool to get a better idea about how these formats compare from a cine perspective.
 
That's what I'm going to do. Ima rent a C100 soon and give it a shot. Then decide. Right now I just been buried with commercials on the XA20's. I need a vacation !!!
 
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