4Kraw with Sony R5

LeoGrey said:
As much as I would like to see highspeed 4k implemented in the O7Q, I don't think Sony will ever budge on it. They allowed 2k because(without a swappable olpf) its good enough for some things, but higher end productions will seek an alternative solution and upgrade to something with less aliasing & moire(a'la f5 & f55).

I see 24p/60p @ 4k pro res as the most the 7Q will get. Again, do hope I'm wrong about it, but from a business perspective it would make complete sense to keep that feature as an upgrade path to the R5 package.
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You'll be happy to know that you are in fact completely wrong about this.

;-D

Sony has allowed Convergent Design full access and use of the RAW output abilities of the FS700. We just have not yet implemented the 4K/120p buffer recording. But it is coming.
 
Mitch Gross said:
You'll be happy to know that you are in fact completely wrong about this.

;-D

Sony has allowed Convergent Design full access and use of the RAW output abilities of the FS700. We just have not yet implemented the 4K/120p buffer recording. But it is coming.
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Very very nice, thx the convergent design for the big effort on it! Totally zero regret to buy the odyssey 7Q. Hoping can hear a bit about possibility of record 10bit 240fps or 120fps in buffer/few sec rec at least, i know it will not know come so soon, but at least wanted to know is there any possibility to make it happen on odyssey 7Q?
 
Hey Mitch,

Since we are on the topic of RAW, any chance that Sony will allow you guys to record the compressed RAW in the future? That would be RAD! But yeah... not holding my breath either.

Seems like if it's 120fps 4K RAW, it would need to be compressed, otherwise the SSD would be gone in a blink.

Sorry to sound greedy.
 
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Mitch Gross said:
Sony has allowed Convergent Design full access and use of the RAW output abilities of the FS700. We just have not yet implemented the 4K/120p buffer recording. But it is coming.
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it's good to know that information about 7Q, even i uploaded the stuff with R5. haha.

but seriously, that's all i've wanted to see here. there are still many people talked which gear suite better for FS700's 4K solution kinda stuff and that's i really don't care about.

i simply like to work with R5 because Sony raw is ultra easy to handle with my few years old MacBookPro. the data, half sized of 7Q's, i can tweak all ISO, PP, color temperature after shooting and export whatever format i want, like ProRes, XAVC for editing suite (mostly i edit Sony raw natively at Adobe CC).

however R5 has no monitor like beautiful OLED one 7Q has.

the point is that either R5 or 7Q, or maybe another one coming end of this year (from that company? who knows), they push FS700 up to the next level and we have no worry to buy another 4K camera in this/next year.

freiheit
 
Mitch Gross said:
Sony has allowed Convergent Design full access and use of the RAW output abilities of the FS700. We just have not yet implemented the 4K/120p buffer recording. But it is coming.
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wow. Great news! Will there also be an option of smaller RAW files? 7Q's 4K RAW is a beast in quality but also in file size.
 
Mitch Gross said:
You'll be happy to know that you are in fact completely wrong about this.

;-D

Sony has allowed Convergent Design full access and use of the RAW output abilities of the FS700. We just have not yet implemented the 4K/120p buffer recording. But it is coming.
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I have never been so happy to be so wrong :) Hoorah!
 
freiheit said:
i simply like to work with R5 because Sony raw is ultra easy to handle with my few years old MacBookPro. the data, half sized of 7Q's, i can tweak all ISO, PP, color temperature after shooting and export whatever format i want, like ProRes, XAVC for editing suite (mostly i edit Sony raw natively at Adobe CC).

freiheit
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Since Sony is allowing full access, will we be able to record Sony compressed RAW soon? That would be a dream.

Not sure if this math is correct, but currently for 1tb of Convergent SSD space, we are getting about 48 minutes of 4K uncompressed DNG RAW at 24fps. With Sony RAW @ 2.5x compression we would be getting a little over 120 minutes. With compressed 422 ProRes 4K we would be getting about 187 minutes (according to CD's page).

As it stands, I would take the 187 minutes of 4K 422 ProRes over the current uncompressed 4K RAW at 48 minutes because the files sizes are so huge. But 187 minutes vs 120 minutes of compressed Sony RAW is much closer and with how much more powerful RAW is over ProRes, I would probably use the compressed RAW more than 422 ProRes at that point since they are somewhat in the same ballpark file size wise.

Plus, when you are used to Adobe's standard of coding, using Resolve is like taking a step backwards. Yes, Resolve is powerful but it's so damn buggy and the interface / navigation feels like 1999 is calling. Would be awesome to nix Resolve from my workflow.

I never thought I'd use RAW much before, but it's kind of like Crack in that once you try it, you kind of start liking it a bit too much (not that I've ever tried crack).
 
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The ideal situation would be that Sony works with CD to incorporate the programming contained within the Sony system to allow the Odyssey to record the same compressed version of Sony Raw that you get in the R5. That way we wouldn't be worrying about comparability issues. Sony might well be convinced in the long run to do this, but it could be something of a long term project.
 
here's the promotional video for Super GT, the one biggest auto race series in Japan, and i've got involved for shooting with FS700 4Kraw 120fps.


Canon 1DC / 4K for main 24P stuff (racing, pit work and interview), GoPro 3 / 2.7K for inside the race car, and the other, all slow motion stuff from car running to girl smiling, was taken by my FS700+R5 combo, DCI4Kraw 120fps burst mode.


enjoy.

 
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