4K TV Article

4k will surely end up like 3D, which is something that will come by default. The price between a 1080p and 4k set will only be a couple hundred of dollars and most people will still be looking at 1080/720p broadcast as many are still looking at SD broadcast still now on HD screen. The difference between SD and HD is big, but subtle between HD and UHD at any normal viewing distance. Larger screen have a bigger impact even at 1080p resolution for the perceive immersive experience. Apart from some techno geek and film-makers who will look at a screen at 10 inch distance to look at pixel nearly all consumer won't care about 4k. That is why the price will come down very fast as their is no particular interest and manufacturers will find it hard to put some big mark-up for the 4k feature.

What is more sad is that Companies like Panasonic is abandoning Plasma. I have a 50 inch Samsung plasma screen and it kills any LCD/led tv that I have seen. Give me this type of black level and contrast ratio before any 4k.
 
As well as the P Series, Vizio also lifted the lid on its Reference Series 4K television, which it is brazenly calling the "ultimate TV if there were no limitations or need to compromise."
The Reference Series, which will come in 65- and 120-inch sizes (making it the largest so far at CES), is 4K capable, can handle 48fps films and games at 128fps and is the result of two years of dedicated R&D.
It offers High Dynamic Range with an exceptionally bright 800 nit backlight, 384 Active LED Zones for "unprecedented contrast" and support for "true" 10-bit colour.
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http://www.techradar.com/us/news/te...e-first-reasonably-priced-ultra-hd-tv-1212778

 
John Caballero said:
Oh... but it will be. Why do we have so many discussions of if and when, knowing that the next generation of broadcasting WILL BE 4K? Anybody with a simple knowledge of the past can easily foresee the future of 4K, and the future is already here! The cameras are getting more price accessible and so will the TV sets. And the networks are surely working rapidly to implement it as well. Have no doubt about that. 4K is here and will be the hottest format around until 8K starts showing up.
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I don't think we are having a discussion of 'if and when'. I think the discussion is
mainly about 'when'. Even those pushing the adoption of 4k acknowledge there
will be some issues with its adoption that will be hard to overcome. I think the
previous couple posters made very good guesses as to 'when' for 4k. I further
doubt that the networks are working rapidly to implement it. Having worked for
three of the networks, I'd guess they are reluctantly experimenting with it.
Interesting to see if the big studios will come up with a 4k physical format
to sell and rent to people or not. They could decide to go streaming only,
but then would lose millions of potential customers who don't have access
to high speed Internet. Lots of things about the transition are interesting,
hence the constant discussions.
 
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Whatever happened or is happening with 3D is in no way indicative of what 4K adoption is going to be. Cross 3D and everything you know about it out of your mind and get into the 4K future. 3D as a consumer medium is dead. Let it go. 4K is going to happen fast. You know the judge who said I can't define porn but I know it when I see it? That is how people will be with 4k. They will see the real thing and love it, and opt in. Does that make sense?
 
lightstrum said:
4K is going to happen fast. You know the judge who said I can't define porn but I know it when I see it? That is how people will be with 4k. They will see the real thing and love it, and opt in. Does that make sense?
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The exact same thing was said about HD for the same reasons. 4K will come -- of course it will -- but it won't be a tidal wave of revolution. And when it does, the board will be abuzz about how rapidly 8K (or maybe 16K?) is going to take the world by storm. :)
 
alaskacameradude said:
Interesting to see if the big studios will come up with a 4k physical format
to sell and rent to people or not. They could decide to go streaming only,
but then would lose millions of potential customers who don't have access
to high speed Internet. Lots of things about the transition are interesting,
hence the constant discussions.
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100gig Blu-ray discs exist so that medium can scale up to 4k. No official announcement has been made, but a few months back a Blu-ray disc manufacturer let the cat out of the bag by basically saying "our 100gig Blu-ray discs are perfect for 4k movies".
 
alaskacameradude said:
I don't think we are having a discussion of 'if and when'. I think the discussion is
mainly about 'when'. Even those pushing the adoption of 4k acknowledge there
will be some issues with its adoption that will be hard to overcome. I think the
previous couple posters made very good guesses as to 'when' for 4k. I further
doubt that the networks are working rapidly to implement it. Having worked for
three of the networks, I'd guess they are reluctantly experimenting with it.
Interesting to see if the big studios will come up with a 4k physical format
to sell and rent to people or not. They could decide to go streaming only,
but then would lose millions of potential customers who don't have access
to high speed Internet. Lots of things about the transition are interesting,
hence the constant discussions.
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That's pretty much correct, I think. There are those who have difficulty telling the difference between doubting pie-in-the-sky predictions of rapid adoption, and being against the adoption of it.
 
adkimery said:
100gig Blu-ray discs exist so that medium can scale up to 4k. No official announcement has been made, but a few months back a Blu-ray disc manufacturer let the cat out of the bag by basically saying "our 100gig Blu-ray discs are perfect for 4k movies".
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I hope current players are able to have a downloadable firmware upgrade to handle it. Having to buy a whole new player would slow things even further.
 
lightstrum said:
Whatever happened or is happening with 3D is in no way indicative of what 4K adoption is going to be. Cross 3D and everything you know about it out of your mind and get into the 4K future. 3D as a consumer medium is dead. Let it go. 4K is going to happen fast. You know the judge who said I can't define porn but I know it when I see it? That is how people will be with 4k. They will see the real thing and love it, and opt in. Does that make sense?
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I would have to say "no", or at least "lets wait and see". Just because TV and camera makers are pushing new products does not mean we are the marketplace will need or use them. A few posts recently have been with a tone of "like it or not, 4K is coming..." almost like you better get on the train because it is leaving the station and you do not want to be left behind.

Well, let recent history be an example that formats tend to linger and normal people do not trust new video technologies. When do you think DVD will ever go away? Answer - never... Terms like DVD and HD have turned into the "make me a Xerox" or "Photoshop this" terms of the media world. 4K does not have this on its side. It is a little bit 'pocket protector' from a marketing standpoint if you ask me.

Remember all of the people (camera makers) telling us to "future proof" our work by upgrading to HD? How effective was upselling HD on technical merits when we came out of the SD era for you? For me it has been a huge frustration because people just did not buy into Blu-ray. 4K does have any physical medium yet and the internet is well, the internet. Business' want something that just works (small windows and bitrates) and selling anything people have to go download is just not a good business model.

I sound like a Debbie Downer on 4k but from my point of view HD has not turned into the best business move (as so much is still delivered on DVD for me) and a 4k investment holds the same or greater risk at the moment. I still want to see how light sensitive the first round of 4k video cameras (not large sensor cameras) will be before I make a judgement though.
 
Sorry about your HD experience, but it is past. 4k is the precipice where digital betters chemical. That is why it is different. Film and all the previous digital pretenders to the throne are archaic and soon to be the in dustbin of history.
 
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lightstrum said:
Sorry about your HD experience, but it is past. 4k is the precipice where digital betters chemical. That is why it is different. Film and all the previous digital pretenders to the throne are archaic and soon to be the in dustbin of history.
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For acquisition, there is truth to this.

For the end-viewer consumer, nahhh. They don't care about anything you say here.
 
Very flippant of your fellow man, stated like a "pro". It is not a matter of "caring" it is a matter of acknowledgement, which I'll bet you dimes to dollars you will be doing before long. Never underestimate novelty. It is what got humans up and walking.
 
lightstrum said:
Very flippant of your fellow man, stated like a "pro". It is not a matter of "caring" it is a matter of acknowledgement, which I'll bet you dimes to dollars you will be doing before long. Never underestimate novelty. It is what got humans up and walking.
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The end viewer DOESN'T care -- or even know -- about things like dynamic range, color response, etc., especially as to how it compares to film. They just don't.

You're predicting 4K TVs flying off the shelves in a mad rush once the public gets a load of how good it looks. That just isn't going to happen. If it was going to, it would have happened with HD, too, but it didn't. And no, 4K is not some magical leap forward that's so much more impressive than HD that the average consumer is going to feel like he's been touched by an angel and just HAS to have it.

Is that "flippant"? I don't think so. It's just reality. The average consumer does not care about the superiority of 4K as an acquisition format, and most of them are barely going to notice any difference from HD without it being pointed out to them.

Doesn't have anything to do with me personally. I know the difference and can see the difference, but so what? That doesn't change the average consumer.
 
lightstrum said:
Whatever happened or is happening with 3D is in no way indicative of what 4K adoption is going to be. Cross 3D and everything you know about it out of your mind and get into the 4K future. 3D as a consumer medium is dead. Let it go. 4K is going to happen fast. You know the judge who said I can't define porn but I know it when I see it? That is how people will be with 4k. They will see the real thing and love it, and opt in. Does that make sense?
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3D is not dead.

Vizio made some headlines this week at CES with its decision not to include any 3D TVs into its lineup of 2014 sets. Some saw this as a sign that 3D TV was dead — but Vizio CTO Matt McRae didn’t think that was accurate when I caught up with him at his company’s CES showcase Tuesday. Vizio hasn’t given up on 3D altogether, he told me. The company just realized that consumers don’t want to wear those glasses.That’s why Vizio is now investing all of its R&D money in that field into glasses-free 3D. The company was already demonstrating glasses-free 3D at last year’s CES, but this time around, it had a greatly improved demonstration that featured 3D imagery viewable from 14 viewing angles. A representative of a major retailer that was looking at the demonstration with me enthusiastically said: “I could sell this!”
However, Vizio isn’t quite ready to supply it yet. McRae told me that it will likely take two more years until the company will be able to produce a glasses-free TV at an affordable price. In the mean time, Vizio is betting big on 4K, with both an overwhelmingly huge 120 inch 4K TV and an affordable 50 inch version entry-level model, which will sell for $1000.
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4k for feature film is a reality. True, no arguments. But for the rest of the media industry, well that is a large entity. Saying HD is the past is just not true. This kind of thinking will lead to spending a lot of money in areas that do not warrant the investment. Broadcast will not change from 720p/1080i anytime soon outside of a few high profile events in tandem with the HD broadcast. Simple matter of bandwidth. The pipes are already full. The quality of DirecTV has goine down since the HD era began as they lower the bitrate to fit more channels and features. H.265 is on the way but will it put a 4k channel in the same space as an HD channel? Everybody needs to buy new cameras and lenses? Really, just when the HD stuff has the dust settled down? I don't see it on a large scale. Television advertising is not what it used to be outside of live sports.

But we will all watch and see how it plays out.
 
I guess if the old school media industry wants to just sit on their butts with 720p/1080i then companies like Netflix are going to have the 4K pie all to themselves because there will be millions of 4K display devices sold in the next few years.
 
Well it didn't happen with HD for a reason. Hd was inferior to the experience people already had with film . 4k is better. Again 4k is not a repeat of 3d or HD or film so we can not use any of those examples or paradigms. What we can look to is the smartphone obsession that has turned the world cyborg, people will be migrated to 4k through the cellphone and then into their rooms.
 
lightstrum said:
Well it didn't happen with HD for a reason. Hd was inferior to the experience people already had with film . 4k is better. Again 4k is not a repeat of 3d or HD or film so we can not use any of those examples or paradigms. What we can look to is the smartphone obsession that has turned the world cyborg, people will be migrated to 4k through the cellphone and then into their rooms.
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4K is a "repeat of HD" from the consumer perspective. And it's a repeat which is pretty soon after they just bought into HD, too, so it faces the uphill climb of having millions of people who just bought new TVs and won't be looking to replace what they have for a while. If you think the average consumer is going to look at a 4K TV and trash the 1080p TV he just bought, I don't know what else to tell you. You're not coming from a realistic place.

And HD being an "inferior" experience to "film"? That doesn't matter at all. The experience was far superior to standard TV, which IS what mattered. They never compared HD to a movie theater. They compared it to the TVs they had in their living rooms. And they didn't rush to it.
 
"Realistic place"? When people look at Hd they say that looks good. When they look at 4k they say that looks real. Yes they are not looking at 4k or acquisition or anything "pro". They are acknowledging reality in the moment. It is the same mistake hi fi crazy guys make ( I am one of them ) that people listen to sound like they do or care, no- people listen to music. Your right- they could give a s*%t, but they will love it and buy it because it is real. And that is the difference. Millions of years of evolution have given us these particular eyeballs and 4k is perceived as real.
 
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