4K Samsung NX 1 now available for pre-order

david_p said:


come on H.265!

is it possible to have firmware upgrades to existing cameras out there to add this after the fact or is there something that has to be part of the sensor tech in order to have this?
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Encoding H.265 is very computationally intensive. I suspect hat most cameras don't have the computer power to do it.
 
The other amazing insight revealed in EosHD link is that the 4K image is based off of a full pixel readout off of the 28MP sensor which is roughly a 7K starting point. There is no further crop factor on this camera as a result of using 4K. 4K from this camera should be stunning however 28MP on APS-C sized sensor could mean poor low light performance. I wonder if the down res from 7K would mean that the noise would be harder to see? Looking forward to some samples.

www.eoshd.com/2014/09/photokina-report-day-1-samsung-nx1-4k-mirrorless-camera-h-265/#prettyPhoto

"The Super 35mm sensor appears to deliver a very clean image free of moire and aliasing. I questioned Samsung on the readout resolution, because 28MP is a long way from the 8MP of 4K. 28MP is more like 7K! The answer had my jaw on the floor. Their sensor is able to do a full pixel readout at up to 30fps in 7K and so there’s no crop in 4K video mode. The image processor appears to be doing a very good job of scaling the 7K raw output from the sensor to 4K and Ultra HD."
 
True North said:
The other amazing insight revealed in EosHD link is that the 4K image is based off of a full pixel readout off of the 28MP sensor which is roughly a 7K starting point. There is no further crop factor on this camera as a result of using 4K. 4K from this camera should be stunning however 28MP on APS-C sized sensor could mean poor low light performance. I wonder if the down res from 7K would mean that the noise would be harder to see? Looking forward to some samples.

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True, but this sensor is backlit. The first APS-C sensor that is backlit. Also in the demo video you can see the high ISO noise in the sky and the "after" shot showing how the noise reduction makes it nearly perfect so for photos at least it has noise reduction for the high iso night shots.
 
True North said:
The other amazing insight revealed in EosHD link is that the 4K image is based off of a full pixel readout off of the 28MP sensor which is roughly a 7K starting point. There is no further crop factor on this camera as a result of using 4K. 4K from this camera should be stunning however 28MP on APS-C sized sensor could mean poor low light performance. I wonder if the down res from 7K would mean that the noise would be harder to see? Looking forward to some samples.

www.eoshd.com/2014/09/photokina-report-day-1-samsung-nx1-4k-mirrorless-camera-h-265/#prettyPhoto

"The Super 35mm sensor appears to deliver a very clean image free of moire and aliasing. I questioned Samsung on the readout resolution, because 28MP is a long way from the 8MP of 4K. 28MP is more like 7K! The answer had my jaw on the floor. Their sensor is able to do a full pixel readout at up to 30fps in 7K and so there’s no crop in 4K video mode. The image processor appears to be doing a very good job of scaling the 7K raw output from the sensor to 4K and Ultra HD."
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That is very interesting indeed! Good on ol' Andrew Reid for getting the info out of them.

I am now way more interested in this camera...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
ATL Media Group said:
True, but this sensor is backlit. The first APS-C sensor that is backlit. Also in the demo video you can see the high ISO noise in the sky and the "after" shot showing how the noise reduction makes it nearly perfect so for photos at least it has noise reduction for the high iso night shots.
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Wow, great bit of information, I didn't know that. Very interested to see if that makes a difference on noise and low light capabilities. I know in theory it should.

bruceallen said:
That is very interesting indeed! Good on ol' Andrew Reid for getting the info out of them.

I am now way more interested in this camera...
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I am always leary of information delivered on a tradeshow floor.......that being said, I have been trying to figure out how this message might have been misconveyed and I can't really see how this message might have been miscommunicated. Regardless, I am very curious to see if Samsung can or will officially verify this.
 
True North said:
I am always leary of information delivered on a tradeshow floor.......that being said, I have been trying to figure out how this message might have been misconveyed and I can't really see how this message might have been miscommunicated. Regardless, I am very curious to see if Samsung can or will officially verify this.
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Actually, Samsung gave the info to dpreview also. "The high resolution of the camera's footage should help it provide autofocus during video, we're told. The logic is that video is created from full sensor readout, rather than line skipping, so it's able to access the information from all its on-sensor phase detection points, to assess subject depth. We'll see how well this performs when the camera arrives."
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/samsung-nx1/3
 
That DPreview article lists focus peaking and Zebra's on the camera. As well as audio leveling, and Auto ISO with exposure compensation. Also H265 intrigues me with those file sizes, wouldn't mind shooting in 4k and converting it to 2k cineform on ingest. Very interested in this camera.
 
Yep... The dpreview article appears to be from info given to them by Samsung directly. Not just word on the street or from something overheard on a show floor. This line "in response to reader feedback we gave to Samsung." tells us they are in talks with Samsung.
 
Everything I've read on H.265 says there's very few editing systems that can work with it, for now.
Anyone know what NLEs can work with the new Samsung?
 
vanvideo said:
Everything I've read on H.265 says there's very few editing systems that can work with it, for now.
Anyone know what NLEs can work with the new Samsung?
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No but I'm sure by the time it ships Adobe will support it. Why? Because h.265 is a standard and Adobe is about to update Premiere CC anyway so why not add the codec? Seems logical to me.
 
So there is no NLE to edit what this camera outputs? For sure, I'm not buying this camera if it requires subscribing to Premiere Pro CC.
 
LOL... It's a standard codec... Vegas, Edius and Premiere will all support it once it's out there.. Maybe not at first but not as bad as h.264 was when it came out and no NLE could edit it... over 4 years ago Edius could edit it natively before anyone else. FCP had to transcode until FCPX and even then it backround renders. It's really not a huge deal. The biggest reason to go with h.265 is so you don't need SSDs or massive SDXC cards to capture it...
 
Interesting. Though..everything Samsung I have encountered has had weird quality or operational issues. We'll see..
 
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I hope their foray will at least put downward price pressure on more established brands as they adopt the codec... But I have to wonder what design mischief will rear its ugly head in Samsung land. This is a bit beyond flagship... LG up next?
 
Some very impressive stills from the NX1 with 50-150 lens.
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?i...page=1&no=4336
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Oh! Very impressive indeed! Well, Samsung has the money and the ability to create a powerful and competitive camera and the NX1 seems to be one. Their phone cameras are pretty darn good and it seems that the company is aiming its big guns at the rest of the camera companies. Can't wait for this NX1 to finally hit the streets.
 
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