3xx series - Thoughts on image noise

Kolor-Pikker

Well-known member
Yesterday, and for a short while today, I thought about the 3xx's often talked about noise qualities and decided to mess around with the camera a bit to confirm or debunk some of the things I've learned about this camera from here and around.

Disregarding the glitchy PAP 1 filter, some people play with gamma or master pedestal to find a way around the 3xx's shadow noise, usually crushing up the shadows to get a clean look, or using a contrasty gamma like B-press. I know that this isn't a film-like camera, but not really content to stick to settings that royally blow highlights and shadows, I saved a few different profiles on my camera and recorded a few scenes while switching through the scene file wheel so I could later scrub through the footage and compare the settings, but looking at the files on my computer I found that there was surprisingly little difference between settings that I thought were drastically different (in theory) before.

While the scene settings did seem more pleasing in certain situations than others, the lighting and distribution of tones in the image did have a very big say in noise quality. Particularly, there appears to be a tonal range just between the shadows and midtones that seems particularly susceptible to some sort of "fuzzyness", usually if the subject is back-lit, and especially on flat, neutral areas.

As I'm typing this, I'm looking a few clips that I graded the heck out of, recorded with a scene file I setup to maximize all the DR I could get from the camera in 1080p:
-3 gain
Master ped: +60
Gamma: Cinelike D,
Knee: Low
Matrix: Fluo

I did other minor adjustments, but overall the image turned out quite noise-free, which I found rather odd, because in some other circumstances, even when using contrasty settings as suggested by other people, it produced images with noticeable noise in the image, and didn't take color correction very well. Checking the color values of the most affected areas, this seems to be around in the 50~110 RGB range, varying somewhat depending on the scene file, but not very much.

So from my point of view it seems that this camera's weakness are darkish areas that are in shade, but are not shadow, so my theory is that people use heavy contrast to create a faster transition through this problem area, when in reality what I think needs to be done is making sure there is a minimum of "fill light", the subjects should be brightly lit and stay above 40 IRE or so, and if there is any shadow it should drop off quickly to a pretty dark level.

Discuss!
 
Last edited:
Very well done!!! I can't say more but i want to say only one thing. Many people thinks that the noise in the picture of the 3xx series is too much... but when i see the first time my native 5D's footage i was so impressed by the amount of noise. Even at 100 ISO. Ok, it seems a bit more random and thin against the 3xx's noise, but the extremely lossy codec doesn't allow me to get rid of it as i usually do with 3xx's footages. A lot of people have noticed noise in the picture mostly when recording in AVCIntra100 at 1080p.There is a lot of blur in the picture too, expecially in subject's hair. But what this codec do for us is to preserve a LOT of informations in the picture ,due to his intraframe prediction. This means that the noise and the blur are "overinformations" and you can easly get rid of them using simple color correction's tools such as levels and fast blur for the noise. This process doesn't effect AT ALL the picture quality. On the contrary, you can eliminate all the usless informations and have as result a much much better picture. According to me,when you shoot with such a powerful codec, you HAVE to do a color grading in post in order to get a clean,sharp and incomparable picture quality for that price...
That's my opinion!
 
Master ped: +60 ????

Holy moly!

It's a wonder you had any black there...
I know, right? I really wanted to push the camera to the limits to see how much it could capture, and I was pleasantly surprised, even though I just hit on the scroll wheel for the pedestal setting for kicks.

@Roberto
Yeah, I totally get that, I think people would be surprised how much more noise they'd be seeing in dSLR footage if it were far less compressed and was higher-bit. The point of this exercise for me was to figure out at what point the 300's image would start breaking down, but now that I've figured out that it has absolutely nothing to do with settings, I know that whether you use an extremely low-contrast setting or a very high-contrast one, you still have to be aware of what you are shooting and how it's lit. This is very important because this means that I can use something similar to the above settings when I need the latitude, and use something more contrasty if I do not intend to grade the footage.
 
Back
Top