3K is Greater than 4K for the 2016 Olympics

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androbot2084

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Mark my words the 2016 Olympics should be broadcasted at 3K resolution and at 120 frames per second. 4K at 60 frames per second does not cut it for fast action sports. . Either broadcast the Olympics at 4k120 or cut the spatial resolution down to 3K. 120 fps is liquid and it is the real ultra high definition format for the fast action sports. Jim openly challenged if anyone could see the future better than he could. So what is the betting mans choice? For the Olympics 3K at 120 frames per second is equivalent to 6K at 60 fps.
 
No further arguments from me. The next step is to blind test the 2 different formats in front of audiences and let them decide which is the sharper picture. If I am wrong prove me wrong. But if I am proven right why do you continue saying that I am wrong?
 
I work in broadcast sports here in the states and we have a standard of shooting at 59.94i for regular cameras.

Frame rates go higher as we use phantoms and other high-speed bodies that bring you those epic super-mo and x-mo replays.

The Olympics is a whole different beast though. Typically that is where new technology tends to be experimented with and theres no reason to say we won't anything in particular.

It's not as easy as plugging in a high frame rate camera at 3K/4K and BOOM it's all gravy. There's a whole stream of how the content is delivered from the action, back to the truck, and to the viewer. CCU's and EVS machines are the first stopping point for the content. There's also the switcher, and what she can output, and so on, and so on.

A lot of people that are in video land assume most sports (at least in the states) is progressive, when in fact it is interlaced.
 
feiertag said:
Mark my words if it's broadcast in 1080/720 it will be interlaced........
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There is no interlaced option for 720 in ATSC standards and currently ATSC standards only go up to 1080p60 (and that was a relatively recent addition) so if an attempt is made at sending out a feed of the Olympics at 3K it will probably be online and that of course has it's own set of problems.
 
The 2012 Olympics was broadcasted at 1080i interlace. The 8K format was demonstrated at 60 frames per second progressive. There is no such thing as an interlace ultra high definition format.
 
No love for the winter olympics? :(

(I only say this because I'm a skier and excited for the 2014 games!)
 
I didn't think about the 2014 Olympics. Even more of a reason to go with 3K rather than waiting for 4K. Anyway 3K at 120 frames per second is ten times the resolution of 1080i. But I reserve my judgement until I see 3K projected. 3K can be added to the ATSC specifications if the Olympic committee gets behind this format so we can have this format broadcasted.
 
JAWflyer3 said:
No love for the winter olympics? :(

(I only say this because I'm a skier and excited for the 2014 games!)
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Well here's some love for ya. I've had the pleasure of producing behind the scenes films for the previous two Winter Olympics (and one for 25th celebration of the Miracle Games.)
Each time I've spent the better part of a year working with the athletes as they train and compete to make the US team and then following them up to the games.
I've had a brand new camera (as in about to shoot for the first time) fall from a jib and slide down the luge training run, I've blown out a knee skiing/filming backwards on the Olympic downhill course and hung from the 120 meter ski jump to get the great shot.
Along the way we've become friends with older greats (Scott Hamilton, Eruzione, Phil Mahre) and the new greats like Hannah Kearney and Ono...and the agonizing stories like my friend Evan Dybvig
Some of the most challenging and rewarding film work we do.
 
why go backwards? 3k isnt even a "standard" like 1080 or 4k, plus this years Olympics already trialed 8k broadcasts, i went to one of the showings here in England and it was stunning. Watching an hour of footage at 32 megapixels gave me the impression that we should skip the whole 4k thing and wait for 8k to mature, 3k would look almost standard definition in comparison, it was that good. though one thing i agree on is that frame rates need to be higher. even at 60p the 8k footage looked very stroby in a lot of places, especially on panning shots and shots where there's something moving across the frame horizontally. i'm not sure what the precise reason for this effect was, but its obviously a quirk that comes with shooting very high resolution video, so yeah 120p as standard would be nice for sports at least.
 
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How is 3K at 120 frames per second a step backwards when it is the only format that meets ultra high definition requirements for both better spatial as well as better temporal resolution? Remember sports video is all about motion. 8K at 60 frames per second fails to meet ultra high definition requirements because the temporal resolution is no better than a typical 720p 60 fps sports broadcast. 8K at 120 frames is a bandwidth hog and so is 4K at 120 fps. What we will probably end up with is 4K at 60 fps which is not the best format for sports.

So I offer the challenge. Blind test 3K at 120 fps and compare it with 6K at 60 fps and let the audience decide which is the sharper picture. If 3K120 ends up being the sharpest picture then we can compare it to 6K just like 720p is sometimes compared to 1440p.
 
androbot2084 said:
I didn't think about the 2014 Olympics. Even more of a reason to go with 3K rather than waiting for 4K. Anyway 3K at 120 frames per second is ten times the resolution of 1080i. But I reserve my judgement until I see 3K projected. 3K can be added to the ATSC specifications if the Olympic committee gets behind this format so we can have this format broadcasted.
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It's not just a matter of adding it to the spec as you still have to have hardware from cradle to grave that supports it. One reason it took so long for HD to get to market is because analog HD couldn't be compressed enough to be compatible with telecommunications satellites that were designed to handle the bandwidth of analog SD. Digital compression is what allowed HD signals to be crammed into the bandwidth allotment designed for analog SD signals.
 
The 3K format is supported by Red, Black Magic and Go-Pro. Sony and Cannon do not support 3K which sounds familiar because these companies refused to support 720p for the longest time.
 
If 3K 120 fps is tested at the 2014 Olympic Games and is endorsed by the Olympic committee as the best ultra high definition format for sports then I would expect to see the market flooded with affordable 3K televisions in time for the 2016 games.
 
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