32 GB Flash for $600

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DVXSanDiego

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With Sandisk offering a 32 GB Flash based drive for $600:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/04/sandisk-announces-32gb-ssd-prices-begin-to-fall/

why the hell are we still being forced to pay such ridiculously high prices for P2, especially when you think back to early promises of P2 dropping quickly as larger sizes rolled out. This is one of the things that has kept me from investing in an HVX. Given the slow rollout of larger/cheaper P2, better cameras will hit the shelves (RED, anyone?) before I sink my $ into an HVX. Am I wrong?
 
I heard that Panasonic will eventually license the technology to other companies (I think they said between 2 and 4 years) which will allow other companies to make cheaper P2 cards that can be used in the HVX. Panasonic is the only one making cards for the HVX right now in order to make back the money they invested getting the HVX and other P2 cards to the market. I heard that from a Panasonic Rep who was showing off the camera at a local video store about a year ago. Did anyone else hear that?
 
P2 is expensive because SD chips is expensive.
NAND-based SSD (Flash Disk) are cheap because NAND memory is a recent breakthrough to produce memory chip with a better density.

This is just happening and your conclusion for today could be swept away soon.
NAND memory chip is the new ruler, and P2 won't ignore it.

SSD exist will all sorts of interfaces (IDE, SATA, SCSI...), why not a P2 like one, these days?
 
DVXSanDiego said:
This is one of the things that has kept me from investing in an HVX. Given the slow rollout of larger/cheaper P2, better cameras will hit the shelves (RED, anyone?) before I sink my $ into an HVX. Am I wrong?
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NO you are not wrong! Save your money for the RED, you will need it. By the time you buy the camera, lens, capture device (whatever that may be) media storage device, editing system etc. etc. to complete the RED workflow you will probably have about 5 times as much invested as you would with the HVX and associated items.
As has been said many times on the forum, you buy what you need to work today and hopefully it will pay for itself within a year or two so you can then upgrade to the next best thing at the time.:2vrolijk_08:
 
DVXSanDiego said:
With Sandisk offering a 32 GB Flash based drive for $600:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/04/sandisk-announces-32gb-ssd-prices-begin-to-fall/

why the hell are we still being forced to pay such ridiculously high prices for P2, especially when you think back to early promises of P2 dropping quickly as larger sizes rolled out. This is one of the things that has kept me from investing in an HVX. Given the slow rollout of larger/cheaper P2, better cameras will hit the shelves (RED, anyone?) before I sink my $ into an HVX. Am I wrong?
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Nice!

You forgot the part were this is their target for end user price in the next six months.

Oh... and you forgot that this is the price TARGET based on wide spread adoption by manufactures.

Oh... and you forgot the part where this is based on the advances and wide spread adoption of newer flash manufacturing techniques.

Oh... and you forgot the part where this is a completely different form factor of flash. These are blocks the size of current laptop drives and not modules of SD cards like the P2.

Other than that, you were still a bit off base.

P2 Cards are over priced when compared with SD cards based on their raw capacities even when making allowances for the card interface. Maybe even twice as expensive .

But, the free P2 Card and the projected 8Gig price level of some $500+ dollars would bring them right into line.

Don't hate the game, hate the players.

Early adopters always pay a premium and in return they have the cache and most importantly the access to the most cutting edge gear.

All The Best!
 
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How about this for an option: While Panasonic is the only manufacturer of P2 cards, what about using the less-expensive flash-based, high-capacity memory cards instead of a hard drive in a device similar to the P2 Store?

The P2 cards are used for actual shooting while less expensive, high-capacity cards are used for field transfer and storage?
 
It's certainly possible, but just not cost-effective yet. If flash memory could match the price of hard drives, that 32GB SSD from Sandisk would cost you about as much as lunch.
 
The benefit to a hard disk, and the reason we put up with spinning platters and fans and shock-sensitivity and all that, is that they're so much larger and cheaper per gigabyte. Since the P2 Store is meant to be a "storage vault", I'd be surprised if they put a smaller SSD in there rather than just going with a 160GB hard disk.
 
As 2007 just starts, I disagree.
At the time they conceived P2 store, NAND and SSD were not so affordable.

In IT technology, 6 months represents a period of time where new components are to be taken in account.

SATA & IDE SSD are already pluggable into upcoming CP-3, without major design change, because they behave as standard HDD.

8Gig P2 at 550€ is affordable storage TODAY.

2007 is a brand new situation for storage, with unfolding novelties to come.
 
Jennyparis said:
SATA & IDE SSD are already pluggable into upcoming CP-3, without major design change, because they behave as standard HDD.
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This is pure speculation. We don't know what interface the CP-3 uses for the hard disks, it will be one of these two, but certainly not both (I'm hoping for SATA). Also, Spec-Comm has indicated that they will customize the firmware of the hard drives for best performance and compatibility, so there isn't even a guarantee that off-the-shelf hard drives will work even if they have the right interface.
 
You can't say that you should save your money for Red, a complete HVX film package tops up under waaaay under 50k whereas 50k is baaaaaaaaaaarely enough to get you started with Red, different leagues, shouldnn't compare, but I get your point

P2 cards as SD cards have a stable rate of growth/price drop, where ech year your size will double/your cost will drop by 50%
I think I remember a chart on the Panasonic website with the size of cards to e released and when...

If you need a long shots (soprts, etc..) or lots of footage without having to offload it till the end of the day and you can wait a bit, CinePorter is comming out and that will take care of you, if you can get by with one 4G P2 for a while till your 8G comes in and later spend your money on a 16G you will have spent $1700 and you will allready have 28G wich can fit 70 min. of HD and it should be May 2007.
 
You wrote: "This is pure speculation. We don't know what interface the CP-3 uses for the hard disks, it will be one of these two, but certainly not both (I'm hoping for SATA). Also, Spec-Comm has indicated that they will customize the firmware of the hard drives for best performance and compatibility, so there isn't even a guarantee that off-the-shelf hard drives will work even if they have the right interface."

Please don't state what I did not write!

Spec Comm replied they will consider offering SSD, because SSD exists in all common HDD connectivity.
So, they could offer their own SSDs.
Performance? They gonna be happy with SSD! 150% more bandwidth.

Hey, selling "customized" HDD is part of the business.

But Spec Comm cannot bypass considering SSD in 2007.
 
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Jennyparis said:
Please don't state what I did not write!
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That's why I quoted your post. You wrote that SATA and IDE SDDs can already be plugged into the CP-3, and that is simply not true. Maybe one or the other (IDE or SATA) can be plugged in, but not both -- which one you can use will depend on which interface Spec-Comm decides to use.
 
Am sorry for the typo (IDE & SATA). Obviously it can't be both!

Meant to say SSD exists in all flavors of interfaces.

Spec Comm considering SSD & eSATA is a good news.
And lightspeed SSDs probably have less reasons to be optimized and customized!
Perhaps a more open system with SSD?
 
To illustrate how fast NAND memory and SSD could influence high capacity P2, or equivalant functionality.

SAMSUNG is now sampling the first 16GB NAND flash memory.

"Early market introduction of 16Gb and higher density NAND flash memories is expected to accelerate the adoption of non-volatile memory applications such as flash-based solid state disks.
Samsung plans to begin mass producing its 16Gb NAND flash memory in the first quarter of 2007."

16 GB Nand.jpg
 
USLatinContent said:
You can't say that you should save your money for Red, a complete HVX film package tops up under waaaay under 50k whereas 50k is baaaaaaaaaaarely enough to get you started with Red, different leagues, shouldnn't compare, but I get your point
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That was my point exactly! That's why I said get what you need today and use it.
Although I am hoping RED comes to fruition and is everything it pertains to be, it will not be in the same ball park let alone the same league as the HVX, finacially wise, or workflow.
 
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