30P from TM700 (60P) and FC Express - VoltaicHD, Clipwrap, just shoot 60i?

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LoneWolf

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Hi folks,

I'm thinking of switching to the TM700. Unfortunately, this camera has a choice of just:
1080/60P - unsupported by anything Final Cut (via Log and Transfer at least)
1080/24P - which is unsupported by FCE so I can't use it (sorry.. can't afford the upgrade)
1080/60i - which should be ok, but I'm not a fan of interlaced

What I really want is 1080/30P output. I'm prepared to chop 60P down to 30P - would you nominate Voltaic or ClipWrap as the better solution? I could dump the clips into either, and export to AIC and then edit in FCE, using those programs as a substitute for log & transfer. Wish Panasonic had given me my 30P option..... but such is life..

Or should I just shoot 1080/60i and live with the quality loss and let FCE take care of the deinterlacing?
 
My believe is that ClipWrap2 is faster.

Not certain what you mean about having FCE take care of the deinterlacing.
 
I'm glad to see someone else struggling with the same problems I've been having. I spend a lot of time and largely wasted effort trying to get files from my TM700 into FCE 4. I tried conversions from a couple different sources and found that I would end up with a huge conversion time and picture quality that was pretty crummy. I got the impression that part of my problem would be solved by changing to FCP, which I did. The more useful solution was to buy Clipwrap 2. That did the job. (You'll see my thread in this forum on Clipwrap settings.) I copied files shot in HG mode onto my desktop, converted them using Clipwrap, and was able to drag them into the FCP browser. I haven't tried moving them into FCE, but I could try that. When converted, there isn't even any extra rendering time in FCP. There is a weird interlacing effect (combing on hard vertical edges that are moving) that I haven't gotten rid of entirely yet. The folks at Divergent Media were very prompt in answering my email enquiries.
 
I took a bit of footage shot in (default) HG mode from my TM700, and converted it into plain ProRes 422 using ClipWrap. When I put that into FCP 7, it works fine. No rendering necessary. I dragged the same bit of converted footage into FCE 4 (simply dragged it into the browser, no log and transfer) and I was able to put it in the timeline. It had to be rendered. After rendering, I am afraid that it lost some of its HD sparkle. It looked like I had used something like Aunsoft to convert it to MOV. Maybe somebody else out there has a better idea, but I think you're going to have to upgrade to FCP. I does not appear that FCE has the capacity to work with this kind of footage. It's sad. I didn't want to upgrade either but it was that or simply not use the camera. (Of course I was really annoyed before I found out about Clipwrap. I thought I had spent all that money and still couldn't use the camera.)

Other than that problem, the TM700 is a pretty nice camera. When I use it at work, I edit footage in Vegas (yuck) which works fine.
 
Ouch.. thanks for the info, it is still better to know than not to know :)

I believe FCE4 will automatically force 60P to 30P and 50 to 25 thus requiring rendering. My 720/50P clips from the HMC152 will load, but work just like regular 25P footage.

On the other hand, what FCE4 does is render a quick preview, so it may not be at full quality - I'm hoping that's what is happening..
 
You are moving from non standard AVCHD heavily compressed to pro res 4:2:2 when in FCP, and then to AIC 4:2:0 in FCE 4. No way around it; hence the lost of some of the HD "sparkle."
 
Well, Happy Thanksgiving. I took a clip from the camera, shot in default HG mode (60i, I believe) and converted it to AIC using ClipWrap. The effect was much better. The conversion time was about half of the actual clip duration, and it loaded straight into FCE4. I put it in the timeline, and no rendering was necessary. I exported it to a Quicktime file, and there was no difference (at least none that I could see) between the AIC conversion straight from ClipWrap. It retains the HD look, and there is no excessive interlacing effect.

Had I known that I could do this, I probably would not have bought FCP. Hmmmm...
 
what is the best way to get 24P native out of this camera. I like the camera because it has great quality but I want the 24P that Canon has..How do i get that?
 
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