2nd rig or different parts to build better rig

Hi,

I have an fs700 with an Q7+, Vmount batt from blueshape and a bunch of canon glass (16-35,24-70, 70-200 in both 2.8 and 4.0 versions). This all sits on a rather large GEnus.tv shoulder rig with mattebox and Battmount from tilta. Its big and heavy but its balanced if i take the time to set it up (its only balanced in its biggest version with large and short bars connected so its all rather lengthy. The shoulder pad sits behind the cam mount and to take weight of my arms i put a lot of weight at the back with the vmount batt and the heaviest weight that genus sells. This way im pulling it down instead of pushing it up which really keeps my arms alive on lengthy shoots.

But its heavy and hard to balance and not very Click-on/Click-off with my manfrotto tripod (i would like to be able to click the rig to a tripod if i feel like it and pick it up again later). I was thinking about getting something like an zacuto recoil rig baseplate. I can attach everything I allready own from there and use a sort of dovetail to connect it to a tripod. Due to the shoulder padding being under the plate and thus under the camera i'd probably be able to keep things more compact and stable then is the case with the genus I got now.

Does anybody have any suggestions on how to make a decent rig? Rolling on my shoulder, lenght front to back and wheter or not the shoulde padding is a snug fit are important things. I allready have parts from 3 different rig builders so going for a 4th or 5th isnt a basd thing to build my frankenstein rig.
 
I used to have to have a base plate with the shoulder pad sitting behind the camera, and the camera was too front heavy for prolonged use. But I now have the Zacuto universal base plate (I think is the one you're referring to) and it balances fine on my shoulder - yet it's a little heavy after some time - but I have used it at events running around for an hour or two on the shoulder fine. Here's a detailed post I made a few months back...

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?337697-My-Latest-FS700-amp-Odyssey-7Q-Run-amp-Gun-Rig
 
yup thats the plate i was referrring to. Rig looks pretty compact also. The main advantage i have now with my rather large rig is that the batt and weight keep me stable whilst moving from left to right. tThe rig really pulls me around when i move because the length of the rig works like a big arm. But like you said it gets heavy and i tend to flex my hips in a bad position just to provide myself with some base to prevent vertical shake ande weaving. Also i nock people in the head with my cam weights....

I must say.... I'm rather taken by the way your rig looks. Would such a zacuto plate work with 15mm bars from different brands? My genus rig can take 10 kilos but will the zacuto be a weak point in this if i put 10Kilo on it with the genus bars?
 
yup thats the plate i was referrring to. Rig looks pretty compact also. The main advantage i have now with my rather large rig is that the batt and weight keep me stable whilst moving from left to right. tThe rig really pulls me around when i move because the length of the rig works like a big arm. But like you said it gets heavy and i tend to flex my hips in a bad position just to provide myself with some base to prevent vertical shake ande weaving. Also i nock people in the head with my cam weights....

I must say.... I'm rather taken by the way your rig looks. Would such a zacuto plate work with 15mm bars from different brands? My genus rig can take 10 kilos but will the zacuto be a weak point in this if i put 10Kilo on it with the genus bars?

Thank you. Yes it works with any standard 15mm bars - in fact the front ones on my rig are from SmallRig. My rig totals just over 7kg so I see no reason why it wouldn't handle 10, just have to make sure all the screws are tight!
 
So, a little updat. I have the Zacuto Recoil VCT incl the quick release baseplate which works really cool but i still need to fine-tune a few things. I wouldnt mind an EVF for the compactness but i'd hate to lose view of the exposure tools provided by my Q7+ recorder. is there an EVF that can display the same tools via SDI or HDMI if i connect it to my Q7+ recorder? Kinda hard to tell. I could use the Odessy as an EVF but that would mean using a magic arm (or related tool) and keeping it at a distance when shouldered.

any thoughts?
 
I am trying to either build a rig or buy one but I'm doing it on the cheap via kijiji/craigslist and so on. So far I see this first option as being viable which is the shape shoulder rig (spider) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/734191-REG/Shape_wlb_SP2100_SPIDER_1.html
The issue is with this one, I'll need a quick release baseplate so that I can take it on and off a tripod. 2nd issue is there is no rail system in place so that I'd need a way to put one on, and looking at the hardware I'm not sure where other than the baseplate, but the baseplate wouldn't line up for something like a matte box to be used.... I can buy that rig used for 200

Here is another option for dirt cheap 125
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-camera-camcorder-lens/mississauga-peel-region/dvtec-shoulder-rig/1175364246
My issue with this one is that the gears make it seem a bit weird, like too many moving parts? I like there are rails though and it seems like it's mostly metal

Or a full package like this:
http://www.proaimshop.com/pas/PROAIM-DSLR-Filmmaking-Kit-6-CF.html

And finally an ultra cheap package where I would disgard any crappy pieces and use with some other gear:
https://www.amazon.ca/Neewer-Alumin...67129229&sr=8-2-fkmr2&keywords=sony+fs700+rig
in this case the rods and follow focus might make it worth it as they are well reviewed... but it's NOT 'meant' for the fs700... so...

lastly, getting a tilta baseplate with rods/shoulder pad as a start and adding to it over time
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...mStXmoSp9KGr44aAmyb8P8HAQ&is=REG&Q=&A=details

I know this is a lot of options and there are many more, but it all just seems either risky because of quality or WAY too expensive. For example I love my tripod - it's a benro s8 and was about $600 ... so for a shoulderpad/rods/quickrelease option that I can shoot with I want to spend less than that. I don't see why that should cost well over a grand...

I like this too but can't understand what the parts are because there is no proper link:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=It+s...UICSgC&biw=1280&bih=899#imgrc=kI7-dxBv-CKHtM:

This is very simple too what somone did with a black magic
http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?13455-My-URSA-handheld-Rig

He's using a wooden-camera baseplate? that's the one part that's not accounted for as the rest seems to be smallrig stuff w/ some generic rails?
 
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at the risk of annoying people I'm going to go ahead and build my own rig of different parts that I'll post here. I'll do it over time and it will cost about $1200 including matte box and follow focus. This will be shoulder-ready, so that I can go back and forth from a tripod as needed. This is in Canadian dollars but it will be in the ballpark + tax... wall of text, but if anyone sees a big problem with this I'd appreciate the input. I've been looking at gear endlessly for the past month or so.

$13 X2 Rails X2 10”: https://www.amazon.com/Patuo-Camera...7734712&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=15mm+rods&psc=1

$63 Small rig baseplate with rail support system: https://www.amazon.ca/Smallrig%C2%AE-Profile-Plate-Clamp-c500-1674/dp/B0197OP4PU/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_sims?ie=UTF8

$45 Shoulder pad (rail supported): https://www.amazon.ca/DP3000-Steady...=1467736057&sr=1-8&keywords=shoulder+pad+rail

· Could go Berkley systems instead OR $63 from small rig
· https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ctronics&field-keywords=The+Shoulder+Pad+1485


$129 X2Handle Pack from small rig: https://www.amazon.ca/SMALLRIG-Rose...&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Rosette+Handle+Pack+1244

$82 Rosette rail-to-handle piece: https://www.amazon.ca/SmallRig-Diam...467736269&sr=1-2&keywords=The+Collarbone+1292


Ultra light control systems:

$50 for 5”, 8 and 12 double arms: http://www.filmtools.com/58and12dobaa.html

$30 X 3 Clamp: http://www.filmtools.com/clbyulcosy.html


$25 X2 Ball adapters: http://www.filmtools.com/13baadulcosy.html

$664 plus tax approx


Matte boxes TBD or kijiji – best new one:
$336 Camtree swing away carbon fiber matte box: https://www.amazon.ca/CAMTREE-MB-20...737152&sr=1-2&keywords=carbon+fiber+matte+box

Follow Focus:

Cheap but with hard stops:
Neewer follow focus with a bunch of gear and hard stops: https://www.amazon.ca/FOTGA-DP3000-...sr=1-13&keywords=follow+focus+with+hard+stops
 
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