"24p looks like film": is that a GOOD thing?

[mikeydvx]

To me, 24p is a down side to film! I know 24p is touted as having a filmic appeal, BUT... I for one will always choose native 30p over native 24p when I have the choice. The thing that makes video look more like film is primarily the ability to do shallow DOF when appropriate. We already have that regardless of frame rate. 24p, 30p, 60p doesn't change the DOF that gives video a film look so the only thing 24p can offer is flicker and blur. To me, 24p is a detriment.

I don't understand the people running around shouting that this or that device is useless without 24p. The only way you can tell the difference between 24p and 30p is that 24p will allow blurrier motion when using slower shutter speeds and it will flicker more than 30p. While I acknowledge those are effect you might actually want in some scenes/situations, I would argue that overall, they are not good things. Do you want your video to flicker? Does blurry/flickering video remind you of film? Even if it does, is that necessarily a good aspect or are people striving to do it just because they are used to motion pictures flickering?

100 years ago, you could argue that B/W 2x speed footage "looks like film" so future advancements in video should run the footage at 2x speed and be grainy B/W. I'm sure glad someone figured out that particular aspect of "film" wasn't necessarily a good thing. Maybe some day people will realize that blurry flickering video isn't a necessity to get good cinematic results and we can move on from the ball and chain that is 24p!

<flame suit on>

Mike

 

[David Jimerson]

This has been gone over probably 300 times 'round these parts (noodle around; you'll find it). Suffice it to say, most people disagree and like the aesthetic of 24 fps very much, while a few prefer faster frame rates.

Beyond that, there's not much else to add. You like what you like.

 

[mikeydvx]

This has been gone over probably 300 times 'round these parts (noodle around; you'll find it). Suffice it to say, most people disagree and like the aesthetic of 24 fps very much, while a few prefer faster frame rates.

Beyond that, there's not much else to add. You like what you like.

That's exactly my point. I think most people like 24p because they've been told that 24p is "filmic". I think it's time to stop using 24p because it is a fad and move on to something better. I have a feeling 80% of the people who use 24p are using it simply because movie theaters use it... not because it is better. At some point people need to wake up and realize that flicker and blur are not necessary to making good movies.

Mike

 

[David Jimerson]

Again, that's been gone over about 300 times. People like because they like it, not because they've been "told" to like it. Basically, you're saying people are "brainwashed," but that's not so, and it's pretty insulting to go down that path simply because you personally prefer a faster frame rate.

But there's not a whole lot of point in rehashing this whole convo yet again, so let's skip it, shall we? Been there, done that, etc.

 

[matt s.]

That's exactly my point. I think most people like 24p because they've been told that 24p is "filmic". I think it's time to stop using 24p because it is a fad and move on to something better. I have a feeling 80% of the people who use 24p are using it simply because movie theaters use it... not because it is better. At some point people need to wake up and realize that flicker and blur are not necessary to making good movies.

Mike

and neither is shallow DOF
:violin:

 

[Zacatac]

if 30p looked good in my eyes, I would use it... but right now, 24p looks as "fake" as I want it to be, and 30p looks too video-ish to my eyes... its nothing to do with that movies are shot in 24p, it was chosen to look like its on the edge of reality and fiction

 

[mikeydvx]

and neither is shallow DOF
:violin:

And I've said that too... in the other thread! The difference is, people don't want to talk about 24p. They just want to use it and say it's the best.

30p looks too video-ish to my eyes...

Problem is, no one ever defines that. What does that mean? 30p doesn't flicker enough for you? That's what I was hoping to get out of this thread.

Mike