24p for Broadcast

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Hey I start shooting a music video for a band called The Big Screen whom are signed to Undecided Records and ultimately the video is going to end up on MTV2 and Fuse. And I want to shoot in 24p but I'm wondering how I could get it so it could be aired. I know of diff directors like Darren Doane who shoots 24p and all his videos end up on MTV2 Im wondering how he does it. is it some kind of transfer?
 
Well, when I was at MTV, I notice the videos they used to play out were on betacam tapes. Shooting in 24p, as long as your final product has the 3:2 pulldown in it to comply with NTSC standards, you should be ok. It'll be like handing any other tape to them.
 
I would imagine it would be a simple process. If I remember correctly, for broadcasting, you need to make sure you're on the 29.97 timeline instead of the full 24 frame one, whether that is 24p or 24PA I can't remember. I'm not sure if that's what you were asking or the answer that you needed, but that's the best I can do ^_^.

If Darren Doane does it, then why not ask him? If you're doing a job for MTV2 and Fuse then ask them about it, see if you can get Darren Doane's number if you don't know it and ask him.
 
You're better off shooting 24pN. But it's stored on tape as 60i, and it can be edited on a 60i timeline, without losing the 24p aesthetic.

Or, you can shoot 24pA, edit on a 24p timeline, and render as 60i. That's the point of pulldown.

Either way, rendering back to NTSC DV will make it framerate-compliant.
 
So if I use Final Cut Pro can I just capture the footage using the 2:3:3:2 pulldown removal and then edit it in a 29.97 timeline. and then lay it back to tape that way, Would this work?
 
No. If you’re going to edit on a 29.97 timeline, you don’t want to remove pulldown – and you want to shoot 24pN (2:3 pulldown, not 2:3:3:2 pulldown).
 
My problem is that Final Cut doesnt do a 2:3 Pulldown I just looked through all the capture presets and and the only available one is the 2:3:3:2 Pulldown Removal. I hate to be a bug but I just dont want to send something to the broadcast company if thedy cant air it. Also what is 24pN, does the stand for non drop frame
 
24p "N" simply means normal 24p mode. Unless you plan on going to film with this then shoot standard 24p and everything will be fine.
 
You don't need to worry about pulldown at all if you're editing on a 29.97 timeline. DO NOT remove the pulldown.

Scene File 6 uses 24p Advanced at its default settings. You want to use 24p Normal.
 
Ok so I'll shoot in 24p normal and edit in a 29.97 timeline and when I lay it back to tape i should be fine for broadcast. Correct? Sorry for all the hassle I just want to be sure about what Im doing, thanks for all the help
 
Ok, lets explain this ...

You shoot with the 24p mode if you intend to edit in a 29.97fps timeline. In 24p, the camera does a 3:2 pulldown of the progressive footage to tape ... in essence, your 24p footage is already 60i on the tape you recorded on. If you were to capture this into FCP, you would just capture it as if it was any other tape (because technically, the footage complies with NTSC standards and is treated just like any other regular interlaced video).

24pa is another story. The camera also writes the footage to tape in 60i, but it acheives this by emploring a 2:3:3:2 pulldown instead of a 2:3:2:3 pulldown. This allows FCP to to extract an extra frame in the cadence to extract the true 24 frames to edit in a 23.98 timeline. This is usefull for those wanting to edit in a true 23.98fps timeline and finalizing their product on film or 24p dvd.

But since your goal is broadcast, shoot 24p and edit in 29.97 since your final output will be on tape (which needs to be 60i). You capture your footage just like any other footage and it will retain all the qualities of 24p.

If you decide to shoot 24pa, you shoot edit in 23.98 and then readd pulldown on export to tape.
 
Awesome and if I shoot in squeeze mode i just select anamorphic, right?( I swear this is my last question ) Alright mgalvan you are a lifesaver. Thanks a lot for helping me out. it's just that i've always DVD type work and when this job popped up I went uh oh. So thanks again everybody
 
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