07Q Firmware v2.10.141

1. no filter
2. kit lens 18-200 (can't remember focal length)
3. I saw this only in a few shot and 97,5% of my footage did not have this issue
4. I think so. I had no other issues pointing at a dirty sensor.

I find 2K lacking also but at that time (maybe March) alternative was DPX or AVCHD

Maybe it was misleading. It was no bug report as I still think it's an issue of internal line skipping.
Just showing that imho it's neither a AVCHD nor a HFR issue.
 
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Mitch Gross said:
Any personal attacks on me or singing of my praises will not alter the course for firmware development. But I will certainly remember you.
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So what you're saying is you're going to hunt us down, Terminator style! :) Please don't do that until the 4K compressed and 4K2HD60 are released.

I guess people are just really passionate about cameras... really passionate. Just go to NoFilmschool.com and half the people there will argue till death that the GH4 is better than an Alexa. I try to not take it personal, unless you talk about my mom. Sorry if we offended you Mitch. I know your job is hard as hell dealing with us. Your skin is much thicker than mine, that's for sure.
 
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Sorry if we offended you Mitch. I know your job is hard as hell dealing with us. Your skin is much thicker than mine, that's for sure.
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And what is quite unique that Mitch is discussing stuff with community on forum accessible to everyone. This doesn't happen very often even with much bigger companies. Respect for that and keep up great work!
 
Mitch, Are you getting a patch out for this firmware?

Considering this bug (playback glitch) was known about before the release, a patch must have already been set in motion?

Thanks in advance for for answer
 
Ben Powell Media said:
Here's something I noticed while shooting over the last 2 days in 4K raw with the latest firmware on my FS700 -- when the clip spans from disk 1 to disk 2 in the middle of recording, I seem to lose several seconds of audio. For example, clip00077_1 and clip00077_2 will have no missing frames when playing from one to the next in premiere, but as I said, a few seconds of audio is missing from the first. Hope that makes sense.

I'm working around it by pulling the audio from the internally recorded AVCHD file.

In general I try to eject the cards before they fill up completely, but it happened to me twice on my last shoot, and I'm noticing this for the first time.
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Mitch Gross said:
First I've heard of that issue. I will alert the engineers.
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any news on this issue? i suddenly recognized a similar problem, but could not find any information here nor on the cd website: there isnt any audio recorded at all (at least when shooting in 4k raw), when the recorded clip is only 2 seconds or below (estimated). is this known or intended?

i had this problem and recognized it at the end of an 8hour shooting day. luckily i had only 4 takes that were smaller than 2 seconds...
 
There is a reference to this in the known issues section of the Release Notes for the latest firmware. We are aware of this and the engineers are looking into it for ways to address the issue. For now the suggestion is to always allow a few seconds of pre-roll and post-roll on every shot. But obviously this does not address the issue of a loss of audio when spaning between drives, so we are very much investigating this situation.
 
Mitch Gross said:
There is a reference to this in the known issues section of the Release Notes for the latest firmware. We are aware of this and the engineers are looking into it for ways to address the issue. For now the suggestion is to always allow a few seconds of pre-roll and post-roll on every shot. But obviously this does not address the issue of a loss of audio when spaning between drives, so we are very much investigating this situation.
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thanks for clarifying this mitch. i didnt find it in the release notes, so please excuse.

maybe the issue is related to the "spawning between to drives" issue, and it occurs only when one of the clips on the two drives is shorter than 2 seconds? just an idea...
 
WOW!!! 4K buffering 100 fps slowmotion with end trigger!! Convergent Design and you Mitch are the best. Thanks!!

I know you wrote earlier that 4K Proress with end trigger is not possible. 4K RAW is just so space demanding. I wish the imposible could be made ;)
 
Asger G said:
WOW!!! 4K buffering 100 fps slowmotion with end trigger!! Convergent Design and you Mitch are the best. Thanks!!

I know you wrote earlier that 4K Proress with end trigger is not possible. 4K RAW is just so space demanding. I wish the imposible could be made ;)
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Thanks for the kind words.

Just to point out, we all recognize that 4K RAW is a huge data eater, but we are only talking about 440 frames in the buffer. Playback at 24-25p is only about 18 seconds. So it won't be too terribly burdensome to handle.
 
I can do 16 takes at 120fps in 4K raw. ( I have two 256 SSDs). If you're going to do a lot of shots at this rate, you should definitely invest in some 512s!
 
You will get about ~20minutes (closer to 18min) from 512gigs at 4k raw.... so if you are recording at 4x speed (120fps played back at 30fps), then you will have 20min of video but only 5min of actual record time. Not sure where you got the 32 seconds.

The buffer is 4 seconds, then played back gives you 16 seconds. so if he is saying 16 takes, that 16x16 = 256 second ~ 4 to 5min.

so 2 to 2.5min on each card.

4k is a beast and it will eat your terabytes and snack on your gigabytes. It doesn't even worry about the megabytes scattered around the floor... it let's AVCHD eat those up.
 
how long does it take to dump a high speed clip to the hard drives... I know the avchd record buffer took a little time to dump.
 
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You will get about ~20minutes (closer to 18min) from 512gigs at 4k raw.... so if you are recording at 4x speed (120fps played back at 30fps), then you will have 20min of video but only 5min of actual record time. Not sure where you got the 32 seconds.
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I'm talking about 120 fps footage (before slowed down), not 24 fps footage (after slowed down).


120 fps

16 takes x 4 seconds buffer = 64 secs. on two 256 GB cards

32 secs. of 120fps material on one 256 card

or 32 sec (120fps material) x 5 = 160 sec of 24 fps slow-mo material on each card
 
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I see... then yes.... you won't be filming much of a full length feature at 120fps, played at 120fps.
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My point is that you can get I think 10 minutes of 240 fps 2K RAW on each 512 GB card.

So only 64 seconds of 120 fps 4K RAW on each 512 GB card is quite a drastic change.
 
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Here are the correct numbers for FS700 4K RAW to Odyssey7Q recording capacities.

At high frame rates, two SSDs are required to handle the high data rates. So for this measurement I have supposed the use of two 512G SSDs for a total of 1 Terabyte of data. You can divide these numbers by half to calculate the capacity of two 256G SSDs. Europe, please forgive me but I only ran these numbers for 24/120/240 frame rates. You cn extrapolate easily enough for 25/100/200.

4K/24p = 48 minutes
4K/30p = 40 minutes
4K/60p = 20 minutes
4K/120p = 10 minutes (4K/100p = 12 minutes)

Please note that the 4K/120p comes in 3.7 second bursts only. 155 takes of 4K/120p will fit onto 1 Terabyte of memory. I know because I just tediously tested to make sure.

In 2K RAW, the running time is exactly four times that of the matching 4K frame rate. This is because 4K is four times the resolution of 2K (twice the height and twice the width) so it outputs four times the amount of data.

2K/24p = 192 minutes
2K/30p = 160 minutes
2K/60p = 80 minutes
2K/120p = 40 minutes
2K/240p = 20 minutes

All 2K frame rates are output and recorded continuously by the FS700 & Odyssey7Q. It would have been interesting if Sony has decided to add a 2K/480p frame rate and had it record using the same burst method as the 4K/120p (they are the same data rate), but I sure the internal processing of the FS700 could not handle such a huge task.


Here's a slight correction/clarification to some numbers given in a few of the above posts as there was some crosstalk between 24-base & 25-base users (US v EU frame rates, that is EU and most of the world).

The memory buffer in the FS700 holds 440 frames of 4K RAW.
440 frames at 120fps = 3.7 seconds of record time.
440 frames at 100fps = 4.4 seconds of record time.
120p is 5x speed of 24p, so playback time is 18.5 seconds.
100p is 4x speed of 25p, so playback time is 16 seconds.
No matter the top frame rate rate, the memory buffer remains 440 frames, so there are still 155 takes available in 1 TB of memory.
 
Hi Mitch,

The website doesn't actually mention the SSD size for the given record times, as was the case with the old site. It just assumes you know that it is 2 x 512GB, under FS700 record times.
You might want to save yourself some future posts and get that seen to:)
People are gonna ask...again...you know they will...
 
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