•• ATOMOS Ninja - Quick First Impression ••
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This is the first time i've heard of 3:2 pulldown. I'm planning on a feature length doc shot in 24p using the ninja, and it will be shown on large theater screens. Is the pulldown issue worse than the in-camera coding? In other words, am I trading higher bit and color rate for a pulldown issue that will distract the audience even more than artifacts and less-than-great color correction?
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David Shapton
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Pulldown is a reversible process. The Ninja doesn't do this onboard, but if you use (for example) Cinetools, which comes with FCP, you'll get the exact 24p footage you started with. Please note that the Ninja either is, or will be shortly, compatible with all the true progressive formats up to and including 30p, but many cameras actually output progressive footage "wrapped" as interlaced through the HDMI port. As I said, this process is reversible, and you will not lose any quality - in fact, you'll gain significantly over the in-board compression; but, you will have to go through the software pulldown removal process.
The Samurai, due out in the Summer, uses HD-SDI and will have built-in, realtime pulldown removal.
Bottom line here is: you can get your original 24p video back perfectly even if it is subjected to pulldown, but you'll have to run it through a software process. For a feature film, I'd have thought it was well worth it. The results will be very good indeed. For on-set shot appraisal, and for less critical viewing, the interlaced footage is quite watchable. After all - this is how you've been watching movies on TV for decades!
Dave Shapton
Atomos
Thank you for responding so quickly. It is the direct communication on forums like this that set companies like yours above the rest.
If I had the opportunity to purchase the Samurai I would, but production is scheduled in the next month so the Ninja it is! Buying mine now!
Side question: Did anybody ever figure out if the AF100 outputs HDMI in 60i or the selected frame rates?
bgundu
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HDMI always spits out 60i. No way around it. But there are variances on how the camera wraps the frames into that stream.
Bob
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mikebarber
Active member
one month later, and closer to summer, is there any news you can share about the Samurai?
GrandLunar
Active member
Does anyone have an insights as to how the Ninja (or even samurai) will handle 60p at 1080?
bgundu
Veteran
Not well I'm guessing.
powervideo
Well-known member
Highly unlikely. The Ninja can't do 1080 25P at the moment. My understanding is the Samurai will be 25P/30P maxxed.
GrandLunar
Active member
The AF100 really took a step forward when it introduced 60p at 1080, It's a shame there's such a hassle to get that footage raw. But you can't beat Atomos for the price...