Pretty damn QUIET in here.......

It doesn't say sound forum, but 'The Crafty Tent' in BASE CAMP in the OG Cafe ala DVX.

(Maybe it was moved.)
 
The are a lot more "gear heads" than users/artists in video and still form. Also, many folks once the obtain a tool become an evangelist for that tool. The art in many things from music to imaging is neglected in many forms - take a look at DPR, yea he/she who bad talks a favorite brand. When it comes to video people who use cell phones are used to the "quick, dirty and AI", and fail to see the art end. Produce something and put it up in a day. The world is changing and just like people who still image with film, pockets of folks devoted to an art will still exist. Basically, now with AI, all folks working must adapted or become less important in the work world. A long time ago I did about 50 commercials that ran in the top 25 smsa regions. I did a lot of still work for photographic magazine ads. Do I miss that way of working (some film, some early video), yes but it was a different time. I come here every now and then because many folks here do video for a living, and the advice is generally extremely good. Thanks. Hope you all make a strong transition as the industry changes.
 
Been away for some time, but isn't it that all the gear is so good and cheap and small that these expert forums are less important?
 
Publimix said:
Been away for some time, but isn't it that all the gear is so good and cheap and small that these expert forums are less important?
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That's partly it. At some point years ago, behind the scenes became more important than the actual results. Rather than coming to dvxuser, building relationships and somewhat getting trusted before people shared information, instagram has people just demanding the lenses used, lighting plans etc. People were sharing lighting plans was initially helpful. But overall there's less expertise needed to send a Gaffer a reference with BTS lighting diagrams and say let's do that. It's a shame because there's less creativity, less taking the theory and running with it, it's mostly people saying I want this look but for my own portfolio, but I don't need to pay attention to how we get there. We've all wanted to pull off similar results to references, but the difference is the ability to pull off higher end looks is nowhere near the unlocked secret it used to be.

At the moment, the overwhelming majority of a DP's value comes through their management skills, or implementing clever workflows, which might obviously include camera movement and lighting, but the look itself is a fraction of the value it once was.
 
I just post this to show the futility of modern media to technical discussion..
 

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I remember when this was the place to be 20 or so years ago. now, this is the first time ive logged on in close to a year and who knows when I will be back on here... I miss the good ol days
 
I just saw - like 5 minutes ago - an ad on YouTube from Fiverr (tried to find it but couldn't) that was promoting using an AI video editor from their service and the video ended with something like..."And what you don't need is this:" (and it had a design graphic of a video production team disappearing)...

...pretty much sums it up, lol.
 
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I just saw - like 5 minutes ago - an ad on YouTube from Fiverr (tried to find it but couldn't) that was promoting using an AI video editor from their service and the video ended with something like..."And what you don't need is this:" (and it had a design graphic of a video production team disappearing)...

...pretty much sums it up, lol.
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On my Tidal music streaming service, I noticed a marked increase in animated album covers, decrease in general photography. Seems like all facets of production are undergoing change. TV commecials too, Biberty Biberty Mutual.. On memory lane a movie was promoted if "shot on location" and regular CGI was replacing action scenes, car chases etc. I miss the realism from the real stunts, (Tom Cruise excepted) Hal Needham, Bullitt, French Connection etc. No interest in Fast and Furious franchise.
 
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One thing that put me off was the bashing of people's efforts to produce a video about some widgit they built or some product they reviewed. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but when people got thrashed on for their efforts, there was no reason to continue.

The best example of this behaviour was the Zacuto camera shootout. If you recall, it was a three phased presentation. Each camera shot a scene. The cameras were not identified. There was about 6-8 cameras. Once the scenes were made available here, people made their guesses as to which was which; lots of fun.

No one made any negative comments about how the tests were set up. It was all good.

Then it was revealed that Francis Coppola reviewed the tests and deemed camera 3 as the best. More guessing continued, but no one objected to the test.

Then the camera reveal came and it was revealed that camera 3 was a GH2. The floodgates of Hades broke loose. Suddenly, the tests were no good. Mr. Zacuto was lambasted by everyone, including the bigger names here. It went so far as having a noted column writer saying the tests did a disservice to the community because every producer would demand a GH2 instead of more expensive cameras. Many agreed. It was a pretty big production, having brought in noted DPs to shoot the scenes.

It was a ludicrous conclusion and of course, it never happened. People's behavior was deplorable. It was remarkable how people went from giving kudos for the effort to scathing remarks delivered towards Mr. Zacuto. After that, there was no reason for anyone to present their efforts.

Now that doesn't mean I wanted censorship of such, but people's behavior when relatively anonymous is disappointing.
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I was there for that... it was insane. I bought the GH1 and had been an AF100 user since I worked on one of those days with Barry and Timur in Austin when they made that western for the cameras release, so I was proud of the outcome of that test, but people bugged out...
 
I stand corrected. For some reason, I thought there was a Mr. Zacuto. Kinda pours water over the whole story.
 
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Paul F said:
One thing that put me off was the bashing of people's efforts to produce a video about some widgit they built or some product they reviewed. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but when people got thrashed on for their efforts, there was no reason to continue.

The best example of this behaviour was the Zacuto camera shootout. If you recall, it was a three phased presentation. Each camera shot a scene. The cameras were not identified. There was about 6-8 cameras. Once the scenes were made available here, people made their guesses as to which was which; lots of fun.

No one made any negative comments about how the tests were set up. It was all good.

Then it was revealed that Francis Coppola reviewed the tests and deemed camera 3 as the best. More guessing continued, but no one objected to the test.

Then the camera reveal came and it was revealed that camera 3 was a GH2. The floodgates of Hades broke loose. Suddenly, the tests were no good. Mr. Zacuto was lambasted by everyone, including the bigger names here. It went so far as having a noted column writer saying the tests did a disservice to the community because every producer would demand a GH2 instead of more expensive cameras. Many agreed. It was a pretty big production, having brought in noted DPs to shoot the scenes.

It was a ludicrous conclusion and of course, it never happened. People's behavior was deplorable. It was remarkable how people went from giving kudos for the effort to scathing remarks delivered towards Mr. Zacuto. After that, there was no reason for anyone to present their efforts.

Now that doesn't mean I wanted censorship of such, but people's behavior when relatively anonymous is disappointing.
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The many shoot-outs were well-intentioned, but I always thought they were wastes of time. I remember everyone trying to come up with the "best" way to do them so that the "results" would be above reproach - trying to make them "neutral," or, failing that, trying to give each camera its best possible result in the hands of its staunch advocate - but the problem always was that not only are results subjective, people have lots of reasons for liking particular cameras which don't have too much to do with the overall images they produce. The shoot-outs were always popular, but the conclusions pretty much useless at best and tinderboxes at worst.

I think they were the start of all the pixel peeping, brand evangelism, and emphasis on the gear for its own sake rather than what the place started out as, a group of people who felt they had an affordable shot at making real films delivered to them and wanting to learn how to do just that with a near-miraculous new tool.
 
Now days almost every phone, every camera exceeds most folks needs. All the "experts" on youtube and the ads, well none really focuses (pardon the pun) on the storyline or how to get the best out of equipment. I recently started a couple of meetups. Many folks joined the camera, does any one what to do full doc? Nope not a one, however the video focusing on motiff's, and how they use the tools, including that pesky fusion in Resolve. I think most folks who actually work realize it's no longer about "needing a new tool" but how to best utilize the tools that are available. Manufacturers have to drive sales and I'd say at the majority of users are not professional users and that's what drives the various boards and youtube channels. It's just too draining to follow the drive for sales or is that product really the holly grail of photography/videography. I'm sticking with my very small meetup/zoom group where things like motifs and when to use a 1.9 mbps codec vs an H265 is a lot more meaningful conversation than "this new camera has 800 codecs, and one is the best of all".
 
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