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There's also an extremely sexually explicit scene in that movie, which it might be even more famous for.
Shaun Patrick
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gumonstro said:
I've seen Brown Bunny...I just didn't think it was a very apt analogy considering what it's really famous for...
Norm Sanders
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Wow, this thread got spicey over the past couple of pages. I'm not tipping my hat in one direction or the other, but I WILL say it was refreshing to see people give honest & specific feedback that states why the film may not have been at the top of their personal list, in stark contrast to others who are salivating & worshiping the very tape it was flimed on.
What's sad, however, is that when someone said anything short of "miraculous!", it seemed like a riot was starting to brew.
Art is VERY subjective. Period. I live in a VERY liberal and artistic area here in the Pacific NW ... there are lots of folks that could look at a 10-speed bicycle wheel nailed to the top of a bar stool with a mound of dog crap wrapped in shipping tape stapped to one of the spokes, and sit there & marvel over what the artist meant by it, and the brilliance of the person to be so creative, pushing the boundaries of acceptance (sticking it to the Man), etc. I, on the other hand, have ZERO desire to look at that kind of art.
Some love action flims, some hate 'em, some love romance films, others don't, etc. That's life.
And Seejay, to tell someone they're wrong about their OPINION, is just rediculous. If John says the sun has already set, when in fact it's noon and a FACT that it's still up ... great, he's wrong. But he, nor anyone else, can be wrong about an opinion about how they FELT about something.
But, please, feel free to let me know I'm wrong about that.
What's sad, however, is that when someone said anything short of "miraculous!", it seemed like a riot was starting to brew.
Art is VERY subjective. Period. I live in a VERY liberal and artistic area here in the Pacific NW ... there are lots of folks that could look at a 10-speed bicycle wheel nailed to the top of a bar stool with a mound of dog crap wrapped in shipping tape stapped to one of the spokes, and sit there & marvel over what the artist meant by it, and the brilliance of the person to be so creative, pushing the boundaries of acceptance (sticking it to the Man), etc. I, on the other hand, have ZERO desire to look at that kind of art.
Some love action flims, some hate 'em, some love romance films, others don't, etc. That's life.
And Seejay, to tell someone they're wrong about their OPINION, is just rediculous. If John says the sun has already set, when in fact it's noon and a FACT that it's still up ... great, he's wrong. But he, nor anyone else, can be wrong about an opinion about how they FELT about something.
But, please, feel free to let me know I'm wrong about that.
J.R. Hudson
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Thanks Norm. It is just an opinion. It's not like it's the new Star Wars films.
Yes, please.
Let's step back and relax.
I don't mean anything personal in my critique and surely not in my reply to the angry actress. Magda, I am just giving you a taste of the same smack you ran at me. You had it coming.
If you feel offended that I chocked you up to scenery then I apologize for you feeling this way but my critique was more directed at the execution of the story and not at the actors involved. I am sure with a different approach you would have shone. But we don't know this do we ? (Imagery + Montage)
So pretty please. Can we move forward into a more positive direction than where this has gone ?
I intended to give back to the filmmakers and instead I have an angry actress, a guy from France and Zab from Spain accusing me of having posts counts and using words with more than 2 sylables as being a crime.
Yes, please.
Let's step back and relax.
I don't mean anything personal in my critique and surely not in my reply to the angry actress. Magda, I am just giving you a taste of the same smack you ran at me. You had it coming.
If you feel offended that I chocked you up to scenery then I apologize for you feeling this way but my critique was more directed at the execution of the story and not at the actors involved. I am sure with a different approach you would have shone. But we don't know this do we ? (Imagery + Montage)
So pretty please. Can we move forward into a more positive direction than where this has gone ?
I intended to give back to the filmmakers and instead I have an angry actress, a guy from France and Zab from Spain accusing me of having posts counts and using words with more than 2 sylables as being a crime.
235 Studios
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congrats Mac-
I am very impressed by this film. For me it was a mix when it came time to vote on it. I gave it very high scores in some areas- ie cinematography, and low scores in others- ie screenplay , score.
What I absolutely loved about this piece was the cinematography. Well shot, good use of light, composition was great, I like the color palet chosen. Overall it was well exicuted. This is the kind of visual quality I aspire too. Nice work.
What I did not like was the opening titles- Antartica ... As noted by someone else said it set me up expecting something else, and I did not feel that they added to the story. If they were to be removed from the sequence I do not think that the story would suffer, or lose anything. And if that is the case, then they are not needed.
While the dialogue was good, overall I think that the basic story was unimpressive/not unique. For me, when voting on the screen play originality was a big factor. (I did not vote very high on my own short in this area for the same reason.) And this theme of robot love, and memories was not added to, or shown in a new or unique way. Same story line, ideas as other movies- momento- where they get you to think about reality. (Don't get me wrong I love those movies, I was just looking for originality in the screen play - a new twist to the same old idea, or a new angle on the idea.)
Anyway, that's my thoughts on this film. Great Job Mac! I'm eating up all the tips you are sharing about the camera work- keep them coming, any tips on what you did, the thought process behind why you did it would be great. Keep up the good work. I hope to see the longer version of this short, if / when you have it.
oh, and extra kudo's to you for trying to work with a bigger idea then just robot love- I love how you are "talking" about memory and perception. :beer:
I am very impressed by this film. For me it was a mix when it came time to vote on it. I gave it very high scores in some areas- ie cinematography, and low scores in others- ie screenplay , score.
What I absolutely loved about this piece was the cinematography. Well shot, good use of light, composition was great, I like the color palet chosen. Overall it was well exicuted. This is the kind of visual quality I aspire too. Nice work.
What I did not like was the opening titles- Antartica ... As noted by someone else said it set me up expecting something else, and I did not feel that they added to the story. If they were to be removed from the sequence I do not think that the story would suffer, or lose anything. And if that is the case, then they are not needed.
While the dialogue was good, overall I think that the basic story was unimpressive/not unique. For me, when voting on the screen play originality was a big factor. (I did not vote very high on my own short in this area for the same reason.) And this theme of robot love, and memories was not added to, or shown in a new or unique way. Same story line, ideas as other movies- momento- where they get you to think about reality. (Don't get me wrong I love those movies, I was just looking for originality in the screen play - a new twist to the same old idea, or a new angle on the idea.)
Anyway, that's my thoughts on this film. Great Job Mac! I'm eating up all the tips you are sharing about the camera work- keep them coming, any tips on what you did, the thought process behind why you did it would be great. Keep up the good work. I hope to see the longer version of this short, if / when you have it.
oh, and extra kudo's to you for trying to work with a bigger idea then just robot love- I love how you are "talking" about memory and perception. :beer:
235 Studios
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Envision said:
Hey, I resent that! Do you know how long I worked on that piece? That work represents my life work!:cheesy: :thumbsup:
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Heyo. Well, I have to say, I like many others am swept away by the sheer visual beauty of this flick. Really amazing looking stuff. On every technical level it's great. The actors come off real, and I think the pure imager softened me up enough emotionally that I instantly cared about what was going on. Funny, thing, that, but just how darned pretty those sunsets looked created a mood and tone that drew me in regardless of the characters themselves.
Now, the characters themselves...
I've said before, I'm a wannabe writer, and it tends to be that I put story, characters, dialogue first. In this case, well... The monologue was well done, I certianly have no complaints, and it was well performed. But I don't think it expresses what it's trying to convey as well as it could. I think it's a question that's asked, but not greatly explored.
So, the question for me is, does that relative simplicity hurt the film or not?
At the moment, I don't think it does. I think as an experience, this movie is almost in a class by itself. It's something that just plays over the senses like poetry instead of spinning a Dickensian parable for us to consider.
Of course, I'd argue the very best films probably do both.
But doing one of them really ****ing well isn't a bad thing, either.
Now, the characters themselves...
I've said before, I'm a wannabe writer, and it tends to be that I put story, characters, dialogue first. In this case, well... The monologue was well done, I certianly have no complaints, and it was well performed. But I don't think it expresses what it's trying to convey as well as it could. I think it's a question that's asked, but not greatly explored.
So, the question for me is, does that relative simplicity hurt the film or not?
At the moment, I don't think it does. I think as an experience, this movie is almost in a class by itself. It's something that just plays over the senses like poetry instead of spinning a Dickensian parable for us to consider.
Of course, I'd argue the very best films probably do both.
But doing one of them really ****ing well isn't a bad thing, either.
MattC said:
I find myself agreeing with MattC a LOT on these boards.
This was an excellent example of proper execution on all fronts. The actors didn't act enough? Whatever, it's a short film. It's not an excuse, it's fact. You can't cram seventy emotions into one short film and expect it to be watched... it doesn't work.
I don't know why anyone else wouldn't like it. The 35mm adapter is just extra topping. Could've been shot without it and still been as good.
I couldn't even watch more than sixty seconds of ninety percent of these films. I won't say which I watched and which ones I totally skipped through, but those I did had one thing in common: Good from the beginning.
Love this, showed it to people at work and they think it's fantastic. I only hope my efforts pay off like this in the future. =(
MattC said:I wouldn't go bragging about that....
LoL. If I think it's a good opinion, err and smart one, I'll say so.
But really, you weren't wrong. People are saying that it has no substance. I've shown it to someone qualified to critique on a professional and unbiased level, and the only thing he had to say was "it's not 35mm".
Great example of a short film and what it SHOULD be. Seriously, how many one-liners can you turn into a script and call it a film?
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J.R. Hudson
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Kholi said:
So the other opinions are wrong ?
and Qualified ? That would be the entire audience wouldn't it ?
Does one need special qualities or certificates to have an opinion ?
See , the point is: No one is wrong. No one is right. It is art.
235 Studios
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Well put John.
(Then again that's my opinion, so I guess it is neither right or wrong.)
(Then again that's my opinion, so I guess it is neither right or wrong.)
John_Hudson said:
it'd be nice if it were really all that fair. But, would you take an audience member's critique over a professional unbiased critique of this same short? That's just how it is, really.
Audience members are biased. Sure, I'm sure professionals are as well... but they're more apt to give you a serious critique.. not a "I hate Solaris-like movies" critique.
Tsk. Doesn't matter, though. Everyone's a critic. This short has hype because it was excellent. The others don't have hype because they were less than. Cruel world; Real world.
You even said it yourself, Hudson: Until I read the hype behind it. (not verbatim).
Not that anyone's wrong, though. I'm wrong for getting invisible ink everywhere at work.
MattC
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Norm Sanders
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Egads, Kholi, what's there to prove? It's a freakin' opinion, leave it at that. No one's saying anything factually based about this film that can rightly be argued. They're expressing their opinion. What is this, Nazi Germany? No one can voice anything other than how much they worship the film? I don't see any films having two different threads; one for praise, the other for critiques. They all get lumped into one.
And as far as you talking about qualifications, etc. Both the LA Times and NY Times film critics can rightly be called professionals in what they do ... yet they can completely disagree about the SAME EXACT POINTS.
Like fingerprints, everyone can have a different opinion about the SAME exact thing. "You don't like blue? How can you not like blue? You're an idiot. Blue is the best color in the world, any professional knows that" ... at least that's what it's sounding like in here towards the few that have expressed anything other than utter praise.
Give it a break, people, and get back to praising the film as that's your right ... but don't diss the people that don't want to jump on the back of your bandwagon.
And feel free to say if you didn't finish our film or not. I certainly didn't see any posts from you in it for postive or negative feedback ... you know, something that could help us be better film makers. What this festival is supposed to be all about.
And as far as you talking about qualifications, etc. Both the LA Times and NY Times film critics can rightly be called professionals in what they do ... yet they can completely disagree about the SAME EXACT POINTS.
Like fingerprints, everyone can have a different opinion about the SAME exact thing. "You don't like blue? How can you not like blue? You're an idiot. Blue is the best color in the world, any professional knows that" ... at least that's what it's sounding like in here towards the few that have expressed anything other than utter praise.
Give it a break, people, and get back to praising the film as that's your right ... but don't diss the people that don't want to jump on the back of your bandwagon.
And feel free to say if you didn't finish our film or not. I certainly didn't see any posts from you in it for postive or negative feedback ... you know, something that could help us be better film makers. What this festival is supposed to be all about.
Tsk. Capitalizing on human ignorance. These poor people don't even notice that THEY ALREADY ARE CRITICS! Where's Dr. Phil... I'm telling.
I'm also leaving work at nine o'clock, to return to the boards in the morning. Whence I might read the slew of razor-sharp attacks on my inability to understand that everyone is entitled to an e-pinion.
Farewell.
And don't play with invisible ink... it's messy.
I'm also leaving work at nine o'clock, to return to the boards in the morning. Whence I might read the slew of razor-sharp attacks on my inability to understand that everyone is entitled to an e-pinion.
Farewell.
And don't play with invisible ink... it's messy.
Norm Sanders
Script Wrangler
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Envision said:
I don't think I ever called anyone an idiot. Hold on, let me search my posts---
Newp.. never said a single bad thing about anyone's opinion. I simply said "I agree with MattC. I don't know why anyone else would not like this."--
And I still don't. Have yet to read a single feedback post that seems like a reason to give it a lower rating than a four out of five. Uh oh, better not say anything against that thought, though.. know why? It's my opinion.
=DDDDDD Hey I like this "opinion" card thing. It's cool.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Keep it coool cowboy.
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Matt
I am signing up now (along with your photogaphy course; wink wink)
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