DVX100 24p footage...not looking 24p

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BurnTheTelecine

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hey guys. Im a newbie to the whole dvx100 generation! Its all exciting, i cant wait to get things going...but of course im having some trouble. I really like the 60i footage for slow motion. I've done some of that and im impressed, it looks great! But for some reason my progressive footage is not turning out right at all. Im not sure what im doing wrong, but no matter what i do 24p, 24pa, and 30p all just look like a Sony VX or Sony PD footage with the shutter set to 1/30 of a second. Nothing is really giving off the "film" look by any means. Just like a slightly slow shutter effect. I've messed with every type of matrix and cine-like setting, all the colors. I just cant get the glossy smooth film look like everyone elses on here. Just looks too much like DV with a slower shutter. If anyone can help it'd be appreciated. THANKS!
 
Shoot something with real action at both 60i and 24p(or 24pa).
Compare those and you shoudl see an obvious difference.
May not be so noticeable if nothing is happening in the frame.
 
Also keep in mind that if you're just using the LCD screen or your computer monitor to view the 24p footage you may not see a huge difference. The big "aha!" feeling should come once you see the edited 24p footage on a nice TV screen. :)
 
now i told you guys i was new at this stuff. haha. Yeah i've done some messing around i have more of an MTV reality/documentary look now, way better than at first. Still doesnt look like a lot of the films i've seen done with the dvx but im assuming thats cause they have theirs transfered to 35 and back? Anywho im getting the hang of it, ill post a clip later on. Sorry for being an amateur..hehe.
 
I'm sure that most of the clips you have seen here have not been transferred to 35mm and then back to video. First, that would be an absurd waste of money for most of the clips shown here. And second, the 24P footage looks just great on tape/captured/whatever. As someone else mentioned, it's much better to get this on a TV and watch it. Also, it takes time to get used to 24P. When I first got my DVX and switched over to 24P I thought the same thing. Tons of motion blur, not really all that neat. But then I was more careful with my shots and camera movement and I came out with some great footage. You just have to get used to using the camera. Don't worry about it too much.
 
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Kroy said:
Also keep in mind that if you're just using the LCD screen or your computer monitor to view the 24p footage you may not see a huge difference. The big "aha!" feeling should come once you see the edited 24p footage on a nice TV screen. :)
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my sentiments exactly. The first time I saw one of my finished works on my flat screen t.v. I couldn't believe how good it looked! Quite a feeling it was. :)
 
Thanks for all your support guys! I agree, im getting more used it and everything is looking much better on a TV. That was a nice montage. Beautiful shots, was that 100, 100a, or 100b? and what settings were those under? 30p, 24p, or 24pa? Thanks.
 
BurnTheTelecine, would you post up your settings so us DVX newbies (I got mine less than a week ago!) can see what is really achievable?

And ovjamica -- would you do the same, please? The montage footage looks really nice.

Cheers guys.
 
Sorry for the late response guys. That montage was all shot in 24pA on my DVX100A. I really can't remember the settings but it was probably still on the factory default. I didn't really mess with them in those early, early days.

One thing I noticed about 24P is obviously the motion blur and the "strobing" effect caused by 24 frames per second. One of the funny things about 24P is that for some reason you notice it a LOT more on DV footage than you do with film. I'm not exactly sure why. I've read over and over again on this board (and even watched Barry's example on the DVD) about the strobing and I NEVER thought that 35mm film strobed. I mean, we all watch movies and how many of us could readily point out some example of "strobing" before we had a DVX? I couldn't and until this morning I still couldn't. I just happened to be watching Back to the Future on my computer and sure enough! There was the strobe! It was so interesting. I know this is just kind of a ramble, but it was an interesting revelation to me to finally see it.

Anyway, when you guys have example clips of your own compiled I'd like to see them. :D
 
I'll tell you why . . .

People (especially Hollywood camera operators) who use film know how to shoot 24fps. Too many people getting into 24p DV don't know how. Shooting in 24p the same as you're shooting in 60i will yield a lot of strobing.

I don't mean that as a slight to anyone in particular; it's just why you see it more often with DV.
 
David Jimerson said:
I'll tell you why . . .

People (especially Hollywood camera operators) who use film know how to shoot 24fps. Too many people getting into 24p DV don't know how. Shooting in 24p the same as you're shooting in 60i will yield a lot of strobing.
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I agree. I've taken to exercising in the morning on the stationary bike and I just watch DVDs while I do it. It's very interesting to watch camera moves and to see how slowly they do move the camera. The shot where I noticed the strobing on Back to the Future was the long opening shot where the camera is panning across all of the clocks. When it gets to the big can opener the strobing on the vertical pieces was apparent.
 
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