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avr said:
and for the Pal users... which are the rules? 25P isn´t it?

great for DVXUSERS :)
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PAL is 25P, but sounds like you'll have to convert the footage to 24P, especially because it'll be going into a 24P DVD afterwards.
 
MattinSTL said:
Can we PLEASE get this clarified NOW and possibly put it in the RULES POST...
You want 24p right? or 24pa? and it MUST be 16x9 (or crop to 16x9)?
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Matt, it doesn't matter if you shoot 24P or 24PA ... 24PA simply has a more efficient pulldown for editing ... when you render it out, it'll be 24P. The only real difference, and this is speaking from a Vegas perspective, is that 24P can be edited in a 60i OR 24P timeline, where as 24PA needs to be edited on a 24P timeline only. Myself, I always shoot 24PA.

Also, the problems you had with that whole 30P issue in Premier for the zombie fest, wouldn't have been an issue for Vegas. Vegas can handle 24P, 24PA, 30P, and 60i all on the same 24P timeline! :beer:

Lastly, as far as the 16x9 or crop, I'd go 16x9 since that's what will be on the DVD. If you crop & have it in a 4:3 setting, then it's extra file size that's wasted on the black bars when you render out for web, IMO. I'll be shooting mine 4:3, to give myself room to move my framing if need be, but will render out 16x9.
 
Teaming up?

Teaming up?

Jarred,

I know the prizes would go to only one member of a team, but I wanted to make sure that members can team up if they want to.

Through DVXuser I've met a member that's local, and we've talked about teaming up ... this way we'll also be able to shoot with 2-3 DVX's at the same time. It'll be an interesting editing process, though, since he's on FCP and I'm on Vegas ... since both have their strengths, we've already talked about editing chores we can share, etc.

Thanks!
 
yeah, the HVX isnt going to have any real advantage whatsoever. the camera isnt what makes the footage look good.. its the operator and DP. anything that would look junkie off the DVX will still look junkie off the HVX. and anything that would look good on the HVX will look good on a DVX too. all going down to web compression and encoding.

..if someone was to worry about any piece of equipment they may or may not have increasing production value of one film over another.. they should worry about things like dollys, cranes, proper lights, mattboxes, steadicams, filters, color correction tools, ect.. because any one of the above is going to affect the image way more than shooting HVX vs DVX going to a little web video or SD DVD. it's very likely that nobody will be able to really positively tell which films are shot HVX vs DVX when the contest rolls around without some fore knowledge. so if an HVX film takes it.. so be it.. its not because of the camera. its because they made a better film.. period.
 
Envision said:
...I wanted to make sure that members can team up if they want to...
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Hey Envision,

I teamed up with fellow DVXuser Stewbottum for the zombiefest and no objection was raised. It was great because we split the budget and were able to use eachother's equipment.

Word.
 
Gurus -

I will not be in this contest. It is way beyond my video shooting capabilities - but I will enjoy seeing what all of you come up with. Good luck.

Grasshopper
 
Hey grasshopper your shooting capabilities can't be any worse than mine . keep it simple . As someone posted try a Twilight zone style flick . There will no Fx in mine as I have NO experience in that department . Try it and have FUN !!
Ian
 
Nonsense, aw grasshopper! Sci-Fi could be as little as the unexplainable, it doesn't HAVE to have FX, etc. For example, John Travolta's PHENOMENON ... the part where he makes the pen slide across the table to his hand, etc. could all be done with strong magnets under the table.

There's nearly ALWAYS a low budget or easy way to pull of a cool little trick or effect ... just got to be creative & think outside of the box.

EDIT: Yeah, like Ian said ... Twilight Zone has always had some incredibly cool stories, sometimes with NO FX at all ... just the unexplainable (e.g. dead grandmother talking to a little girl on a Fisher Price phone, etc.).
 
The only real issue with allowing the HVX is the much better keys HVX users will be able to pull. Given that it is a Sci-Fi contest I presume greenscreen will be used relatively often by members.

Now if we make sure to not include the key quality in the judging that would be fine. Maybe it won't matter so much with compression.
 
I got pretty good compliments with my key for the newscast I opened my short with ... and I had pretty poor lighting on it as well. If you're using Vegas, there are some tricks to still get a pretty really good key, depending on what you're doing.
 
Oh definitely! It's certainly possible to get pretty good key with work. I don't think it can compete with 4:2:2 and DVCpro50 compression though. :( In any case, maybe it's a pointless worry.
 
Oh, one question: can we use a 2.35:1 (or anything wider than 16:9) ratio? I'm guessing that's ok but since it wasn't explicitly stated...
 
I expect process work to play a significant role in my short, so having the option to use the HVX is a big bonus.

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The rules clearly state 16:9 now.

Shaw said:
Oh, one question: can we use a 2.35:1 (or anything wider than 16:9) ratio? I'm guessing that's ok but since it wasn't explicitly stated...
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I did indeed notice that you specified 16:9. I'm just wondering how set in stone that is =D

It sounds like 16:9 is it though so I'll stick with that.
 
Teaming up with other DVXusers is encouraged--I think it's a great idea.

Envision said:
Jarred,

I know the prizes would go to only one member of a team, but I wanted to make sure that members can team up if they want to.

Through DVXuser I've met a member that's local, and we've talked about teaming up ... this way we'll also be able to shoot with 2-3 DVX's at the same time. It'll be an interesting editing process, though, since he's on FCP and I'm on Vegas ... since both have their strengths, we've already talked about editing chores we can share, etc.

Thanks!
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Great to hear. Barry, on Shaw's 2.35:1 question, I was assuming Jarred just definitely wanted to stay clear of 4:3 ... I'm probably speaking out of turn, but I was assuming 16x9 or wider (e.g. 2.35:1, etc.) was the desired result, but absolutely NO 4:3.
 
I'd like to see as many people as possible teaming up! It can only give us better (although fewer) entries... I don't mean to stress FEWER, but I'd rather see fewer, better flicks due to teamwork.

If two guys can make an okay film seperately or a good one together I'll take the good one thanks.

I got a local buddy on these forums also... and it looks like he and I may team up for this one. 2 dvx's plus a crazy amount of sound and support gear... man there'd be no excuses this time... ouch.
 
I believe the closest person to me is indianapolis, which is about an hour from me. not too bad. I need to figure out who it is, though and if they'd be even remotely interested in teaming up.

I need someone who's bad-ace with CG.
 
You have your choice of 16:9 or 1.78:1. :) That's letterboxed 4:3 or stretched 4:3 or anamorphic 4:3 but all 16:9.


16:9
 
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