Cinema EOS Announcement on 19th Jan - EOS R5C

Right, but what if such professionals don't need 8K raw at all? And would rather use a camera that has internal ND? Or SDI out? Or IBIS? Or doesn't need an external battery to power its lens mount?

I agree that the camera will see a lot of action. But I think the optimal use cases are narrower than you think if it doesn't look as good as those with the best IQ and it's not as functional as some with adequate IQ

I'm mocking you specifically because you started with the statement

IMO, R5C's IQ is superb and its iterations will begin making inroads into the high end production sooner rather than later and not just like a crash cam/B/C cam,.
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and then backpedaled to say

there's a ton of reality/interview/in-studio content that has no aspirations to be "Lawrence of Arabia" and is perfectly suited for this.
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obviously, "high end production" is a somewhat nebulous term, but you can't have it both ways
 
This vídeo certainly list the pros of using a C70 over the R5C for film and video.


For indie film making and “high end french” production, i’d skip the R5C in general.

The R5C feels more at home for 8K doc work, drone, Wedding, fashion, action-cam, additional angles for 5500ii or Mini LF, and fields that require low cost high quality 8K like VR stock footage.

Indie filmers should stick with the Canon C series like the C500ii or C70, unless they need 8K or full frame on a budget, but it seems the R5C may not have as good dynamic range, and for low budget film making, when lighting setups are all over the place due to time and budget, i’d opt for the camera with more DR.

plus, indie film while there is a willingness to put up with complicated setups, having things like internal ND can help save crucial time and busy work.
 
(above video) which is better c70 or r5d? 'this is going to be a tough one'

NO IT IS NOT.. the c70 is way better - end of

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Im so bored of this r5d (nice new name :) ) already. 'game changer..'important' .. not at all. it is just anohter camera without ND, that you will need an external battery, a cage, nds in you back pocket which is of course full of sand and fluff. and to operate in many positions you will need a monitor or EVF going through cruddo mini hdmi. and a plastic box ontop dribbling your xlr cables into shot until the box breaks off on day three.

its just another crappy camera

for the price of a used toyota (or red one or c200)

it might have a nice image.. but a nice image is good make up .. great light .. fascinating content, the sensor has about 5% input into a nice image

if your images were sh-ITTY with an r6 or c300 (or gh2) they will still be sh!tty with an r5c.

time to move along.
 
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I have an r6 that I bought to be a 'walk in the park' camera. I promise to feel any form of security I need cage, ND, little mic, conveter, sony battery, maybe these are just crutches to hide my incompetence.. but even the smallest 'build' takes thought and fills a small billingham without even fitting in decent cans.

it is not a camera I can take for a walk in the park.

probably the smallest vagely sensible combo I can build right now is my 'evf only' build of my c200

camera, mini handle, add mic and cans. https://www.instagram.com/p/CXwmGCIq..._web_copy_link
 
I think the only reason to put ups with certain omissions like NDs etc is if a camera in this form factor has really good IBIS. Then it becomes a "unique" tool because you can shoot with it with out needing any building and rigging. Ive been shooting on two S1H's using leica M primes using Timecode synched audio for a couple of years now and it really works well. with ought the IBIS I would still be working with a shoulder mounted evf solution built around a c500 or a Kinfinity LF or something. But without the IBIS it would be pointless.
 
icarusfilm said:
I think the only reason to put ups with certain omissions like NDs etc is if a camera in this form factor has really good IBIS. Then it becomes a "unique" tool because you can shoot with it with out needing any building and rigging. Ive been shooting on two S1H's using leica M primes using Timecode synched audio for a couple of years now and it really works well. with ought the IBIS I would still be working with a shoulder mounted evf solution built around a c500 or a Kinfinity LF or something. But without the IBIS it would be pointless.
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well said!
 
Why over the years have ENG and EFP cameras evolved with NDs? Why? It's because they are a useful tool and can be very rapidly deployed at the twist of the fingers. I grew up on film and matte boxes. We never had built-in NDs in film cameras. Call me old fashioned even using cameras with built-in NDs you can often come up short with the desired amount and importantly type of filtration you may need. I've lost count of the times I've needed graduated NDs on doco work so have nearly always run a Matte box with NDs in conjunction with the cameras built-in NDs. Often finding I need minimal ND on the lower part of an image but a lot more ND at the top. Often using two or even three rotatable stages with graduated 4 x 5.6 ND filters to ND 'crop' an image to get a far better overall exposure within the DR of the camera. It can also save a lot of time in post from having to try to battle uneven exposures. Don't see many Venices being used without extra light control filtration on the front do you? Especially if you want to add any 'artistic' creative image control.

Chris Young
 
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cyvideo said:
Why over the years have ENG and EFP cameras evolved with NDs? Why? It's because they are a useful tool and can be very rapidly deployed at the twist of the fingers. I grew up on film and matte boxes. We never had built-in NDs in film cameras. Call me old fashioned even using cameras with built-in NDs you can often come up short with the desired amount and importantly type of filtration you may need. I've lost count of the times I've needed graduated NDs on doco work so have nearly always run a Matte box with NDs in conjunction with the cameras built-in NDs. Often finding I need minimal ND on the lower part of an image but a lot more ND at the top. Often using two or even three rotatable stages with graduated 4 x 5.6 ND filters to ND 'crop' an image to get a far better overall exposure within the DR of the camera. It can also save a lot of time in post from having to try to battle uneven exposures. Don't see many Venices being used without extra light control filtration on the front do you? Especially if you want to add any 'artistic' creative image control.

Chris Young
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filtration in fron of the lens will always be necessary either to add ND especially when shooting very fast primes on a bright sunny day no internal NDs will stopp down so you can shoot at t1.4.
Also polarizer filters etc.
 
Chris

there is nothing wrong - in the main - with building up a camera to be a cinematography tool. Im sure the r5c will be adequate for cinematography apart from the nano hdmi and poor power supply jack - both sticking into free space

but cinematography.. usually the camera is run by a team of four and there are two more pople gathering sound - not to mention an extended post process to synch it all up.

but for tasks beyond cinematography - suh as coverage of live events - ND XLR are basically essential for you not to embarras yourself.

I do nothing to be good, just try and avoid embarrasing myself!
 
morgan_moore said:
they fail, I dont :)

that hdmi is embarrassing
that 1/500 in the sun is embarrasing
that downtime is embarrasing..
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I have to agree.


Where we differ, is that Canon can always point to some other camera they make that does has a feature omisión and say “we didn’t fail, this isn’t embarrassing.


The C300 was the answer to the DSLR revolution, and in 3 iterations they turned it into a Sony F55. Which is a form a failure. the C300mk1 is a failure because they abandoned it’s original concept.


The C70 is also embarrassing, because it is promoted as a video centric design, but anything with HDMI stick out the side MUST HAVE 5-axis IBIS. And video centric design shouldn’t have HDMI on the operator side in the first place. They did NOT design the C70 properly, so yesX it is a failure too.

If a camera doesn’t have IBIS and is that small you will never have it stable without rigging, and if you are rigging, that side HDMI is the absolute worst place!


So, even though the myriad of products confuses things, because there are work arounds and options, Canon’s individual products are failures.

Where Canon shines is the eco system. But that is also because their cameras individually have glaring issues.

Still no one has made the camera people are asking for, so Canon did not “embarrass” themselves, and they did not do anything good either.
 
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I am thinking of a 2 TB card. Which one do you guys find to be good. Delkin, Angelbird? Is there some other higher capacity CFexpress type B card?
 
indiawilds said:
I am thinking of a 2 TB card. Which one do you guys find to be good. Delkin, Angelbird? Is there some other higher capacity CFexpress type B card?
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Trying to find useful information, eh? haha.

I think Angel Bird has been solid so far. They make good products and seem to be a favourite of the Red crowd, which not sure that means too much, but at least you know Angel Bird has not been a catostophic failure yet.

I’ve not seen anything above 2tb yet. If the R5 does raw out hdmi, can the R5C also do that? if attaching and rigging external power, would an external recorder with an SSD allow for longer 8K raw recording even at 60gps?
 
Liam Hall said:
R5 v R5c IBIS real world video comparison. Interesting:

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Thanks for sharing, these are great!

I personally tend to rig my cameras, so no IBIS is not a big deal for me, however….


The R5C is not a “C” badge mirrorless camera.

Because they took away the IBIS, it can’t be used like a mirrorless camera. So what does that mean?

The R5C is a cine camera with all the crap of a mirrorless camera instead.

I’m not ok with accepting that, but i am fine to just out and continue to capture and edit.

Like the Komodo, the R5C will have a great home as an additional angle or action cam, yet most people will try to frankenrig it into an A-cam. Meanwhile people that have been waiting for the DSLR revolution are finally getting what they asked for while Mirrrorless stills are yet again eclipsing video camera design. I don’t think pro cameras are going any where, because pros can pay the big boy bucks, but it is frustrating to see features stripped away instead of celebrated in the mirrorless vídeo world.
 
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R5 v R5c IBIS real world video comparison. Interesting:

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Looks like they both twitch when reaching the edge of their stabilization range. But it happens way more frequently on the r5c.

The video also reminds me of why I only use ibis to smooth out gimbal stabilization rather than relying on it for bare hand shooting
 
ahalpert said:
Looks like they both twitch when reaching the edge of their stabilization range. But it happens way more frequently on the r5c.

The video also reminds me of why I only use ibis to smooth out gimbal stabilization rather than relying on it for bare hand shooting
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Agreed. IBIS on Canon for video is not very good at all. I have the R6 and its nice for static shots and slow careful movements. Absolutely no gimbal replacement at all. I wouldn't consider the lack of IBIS on the R5c a devastating loss. Most would end up using a gimbal anyway.
 
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