Cinema EOS Announcement on 19th Jan - EOS R5C

ahalpert said:
that being said, it doesn't have IBIS. and the a7siii/fx3 probably has a 2-stop advantage in high ISO performance
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It has a digital IS and its effectiveness remains to be seen. But, in general, R5c doesn't appear to be made for the hand-held shots.

Howevah, if someone has both R5 and R5c, then he can mix and match. Two 8K cameras for under $9,000.

Sony's A7RV can't be too far away.
 
Liam Hall said:
I'm old enough to remember when people were speculating this camera would be $7,500:-)

This price point is too good to walk past. So after much debate this afternoon I put my order in.

Anyone else?
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I’m likely to pass, but i am still tempted by 8K CRL internal.

I have a running list of possible cameras i might go for this year:

if the mirrorless crowd:
- Sony A1,A7s3, Fx3
- Panasonic S1H or succesor
- Nikon Z9 if they get a new Nlog with a bit more DR squeezed out
- Red Komodo, sort of don’t think i will, too many good options from other brands now. Komodo was pretty bad in low light, compare to anything the mirrorless world offers.
- Canon R3, C70, R5C (and possibly R1 or C90 etc)
- Fujifilm GFX medium format with good video or and XT5 if they release this year

Considering these are just in the mirrorless and sub $10K genre, we have a lot of nice options to start

There are also plenty of good cameras in the larger more tradition video centric cinema style and also a huge number of good aging cinema cameras.

So, if i don’t get the R5C, it won’t be because the camera is bad, it would be because there are so many good choices and something else fit a more immediate project need.

That said, 8K CRL in a mirrorless camera is sort of a dream come true. i love high resolution for types of documentary style work. I’ve been going through a few hundred miniDV tapes and I can definitely appreciate the idea of looking into the past and seeing real texture and detail. it just adds a whole other aspect to documentary film making that is unprecedented. But it is also crazy that the D5C isn’t even the first 8K raw light camera to exist in mirrorless form.
 
There's talk of the AF being the lesser quality dpaf version 1 as in C70 standard rather than what folk have become accustomed to with the dpaf version 2 on recent stills cameras such as R5, R6
 
ade4all said:
There's talk of the AF being the lesser quality dpaf version 1 as in C70 standard rather than what folk have become accustomed to with the dpaf version 2 on recent stills cameras such as R5, R6
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does the difference mean more than just a lack of animal eye AF? that was the impression I got. per newsshooter:

When you are in Photo mode the AF system and performance are exactly the same as the R5 and you get Dual Pixel CMOS Auto Focus II. However, when you switch to Video mode you get Dual Pixel CMOS Auto Focus I. This essentially means you don’t get animal detect and animal Eye detect when shooting video as you do on the R5.
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https://www.newsshooter.com/2022/01/19/canon-r5-c/
 
cpreston said:
The dual native ISO is odd. That has never really been Canon’s MO. Their log modes have “native” iso and then maintains the gamma curve throughout the rest of the expanded ISO range. Is the R5C not going to work that way?
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The R5 was also dual-native ISO camera. When shooting in standard (non-log) picture profiles, the base ISO is 100, with the second gain circuit kicking in at 400 ISO. This is why there is a bit more dynamic range at 400 ISO than say 200 ISO as shown on this chart:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4508716

When shooting in C-Log, the base ISO increases to 400 ISO (which presumably puts the second ISO 2-stops above at 1600). In C-Log 3, the base ISO is 800 (with a second ISO at 3200):
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3...g-on-the-canon-eos-r5-shoot-c-log3-here-s-why

This matches the dual native ISO of 800/3200 reported for the R5c in the ProAV video earlier in this thread, as I believe that was for when shooting C-Log 3. Which would be consistent with the R5 and R5c sharing the same sensor. Overall though the effect of the second gain circuit is less pronounced on the R5 than on some of the cameras with Sony sensors (in particular the A7SIII and FX3).
 
Liam Hall said:
User replaceable hot-shoe I'm told:-)
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Im not sure if you are joking.. but I do consider hot shoes to be user disposable/repacable

I used to have a bag of shoes for my vivitar 283 and nikon (sb24 or something) but you get a sketchy little ribbon cable with the ttl stuff - and ausdio no doubt - which makes it tricky

--

You know the engineering design.. if it looks wrong it is wrong.. the top mount mic boxes look terrible - weak, lifting up the cofm, dont go in a bag, whatever, all wrong

dont get me wrong ill be checking the upgrade path from the r6.. but its an r6 replacement not a c200 replacement!

although the slow mode switch might be a bit of a killer (or a total killer ive not decided).. way worse than the z6 and the r6 and the box brownie.
 
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DLD said:
It has a digital IS and its effectiveness remains to be seen. But, in general, R5c doesn't appear to be made for the hand-held shots.

Howevah, if someone has both R5 and R5c, then he can mix and match. Two 8K cameras for under $9,000.

Sony's A7RV can't be too far away.
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EIS probably equivalent to C70. Sony A7SIII also has EIS with the same amount of crop (10%). Cropping isn't ideal. Effectiveness doesn't compare to IBIS, although it's a nice addition on top of IBIS when needed.

Mixing and matching is like... "we can get smooth shots! if we're careful not to overheat... and we can record unlimitedly!! but it won't be smooth..." if either issue concerns you, you really want to have it all in one body IMO

I had assumed the camera would be more expensive but I also assumed it would have IBIS and a full HDMI port. lots of assumptions being proven wrong
 
R1 will be a R5 C (I guess that's how they spell it which is annoying) and R3 combined...and the mother of all ships.
 
ahalpert said:
Mixing and matching is like... "we can get smooth shots! if we're careful not to overheat... and we can record unlimitedly!! but it won't be smooth..." if either issue concerns you, you really want to have it all in one body IMO
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Did you forget this was Canon?

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ahalpert said:
nobody's waiting to see what the R1 can do?
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NorBro said:
R1 will be a R5 C (I guess that's how they spell it which is annoying) and R3 combined...and the mother of all ships.
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I believe that Canon pulled all the plugs they currently have in terms of video performance in the R5C. Perhaps they feel they are coming full circle giving a small nod/throwback to the 5D mkII.

This in turn frees them up to go 'full retard' on sensor resolution in the R1. I think the R1 will be a premium photographic tool. But that's not for everyone, hence the new R3.

Photo and video resolution are in a bit of a tug-of-war. Striking an optimal balance might forever remain a compromise. I even feel that 8K is essentially too much today, and would personally prefer 6K to 6.5K in a full frame format.

Perhaps it's impossible to make a camera today without video features? Maybe the R1 will have the processing power to offer a 140MP sensor that can do on the fly scaling to 'perfect 8K', but I doubt it. Maybe they feel they have to offer something in between? But I don't think Canon will limit the Stills resolution in FF to make it "convenient" for video use.

And I actually think this is the right decision. A company should always offer as few products as possible, but as many as are needed.
 
They've been adding pretty nice video features in every new camera so we'll see, but I think you're right that the photo performance will be the priority because after all it's still a stills camera that shoots video.

And that one would be their true stills flagship.
 
James0b57 said:
I’m likely to pass, but i am still tempted by 8K CRL internal.

I have a running list of possible cameras i might go for this year:

if the mirrorless crowd:
- Sony A1,A7s3, Fx3
- Panasonic S1H or succesor
- Nikon Z9 if they get a new Nlog with a bit more DR squeezed out
- Red Komodo, sort of don’t think i will, too many good options from other brands now. Komodo was pretty bad in low light, compare to anything the mirrorless world offers.
- Canon R3, C70, R5C (and possibly R1 or C90 etc)
- Fujifilm GFX medium format with good video or and XT5 if they release this year

Considering these are just in the mirrorless and sub $10K genre, we have a lot of nice options to start
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Simply amazing list of cameras. What a time to be alive. Pay your money take your pick.
 
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scorsesefan said:
All of this Canon talk has me thinking of Puredrifting. I haven't seen him post in a while -- hope he's OK.
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I think he said the forum was taking up too much time from his work schedule, especially as business picked up. Haven't heard from him since he stopped posting here, but I think he just made a decision to spend less time online
 
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Great discussion. This product release is another example of how strange the video/stills retail universe really is. Awesome specs with glaring omissions. Just makes you shake your head. I am sure it will make beautiful images. Yes, I hope Dan is well.
 
He logs in here and there (or whoever has access to his account). Last time was on the 11th.
 
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