Let's talk 3D - Canon RF 5.2mm Dual Fisheye Lens Announced

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This was announced many hours ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22y0NR8ApOY



It's for VR180 or something. I've never even heard of that. I haven't really followed the VR thing. But it got me thinking about 3D again. I'm a fan of 3D movies and own a 3D TV and Blu-ray player. Which sadly in my bedroom now. Not the easiest place to watch 3D movies. I wish they would start making (passive) 3D TVs again. But I'm also a member of a facebook 3D Blu-ray group and one of the members mentioned they are shooting a small budget slasher film in 3D right now. Which everyone there is interested in buying a copy of. Smart I think to cater to a niche audience these days.

They're using a camera I never knew existed. The Sony HDR-TD10. A model about a decade old now and definitely consumer grade.


I know there have been other efforts like these in the past. Panasonic put out a couple all in one 3D lenses and even Canon previously with a 3D lens for the XL1 DV camera. I don't know how well any of these work(ed) and I have no idea how post processing or viewing of the footage is even supposed to work on all of this. 3D production is not something I've ever looked into, besides seeing the hug dual camera frankenrigs Hollywood productions have used, with two REDs strapped one under another.



But it go me thinking, of all times, now might be the best time to shoot 3D like that. With all these small 4K capable cameras like the Sony FX3 or even GoPros. Although maybe not the best time to show it.

I suspect that VR and eventually AR will help bring 3D viewing back. Clearly Canon thinks there is a market. Although as I said it would be nice to see actual TVs again. It would also be nice to see a 4K 3D disc format.
 

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AR is growing rapidly and will be massive in industries which can utilize the technology (many can or will adapt quickly).

I don't know if it will bring 3D Hollywood viewing back, but its main purpose right now is to bring normal everyday viewing and experiences into people's homes.

Some are working on virtual shops for people to browse products in the comfort of their own home. It gets complex as you can sit on the couch and watch yourself try on different things.

If you're missing the 90s at any point right now while I write that, I understand. lol

But there are so many cool ones coming.
 
I'll come around to 3D movies if and when they no longer suck. Avatar sucked. I thought the 3D detracted from it. Not that it was a good movie to begin with.

On the other hand, the whole 360-degree viewing thing (really 4 pi steradians, but who's counting) is pretty cool. But I'm not really interested in it for scripted drama, more just for documentary experiences
 
I tend to agree with NorBro on this one. Not for movies or drama, but for building virtual realities of real things and places. And like many innovative concepts, will be co-opted by commerce to extract money from the masses. In the future you will not need to go to B&H, nor stare at a two dimensional computer listing, but actually move around the displays, perhaps even virtually handling a camera while discussing its merits with a virtual assistant.

Dystopian for sure.
 
stoneinapond said:
. In the future you will not need to go to B&H, nor stare at a two dimensional computer listing, but actually move around the displays, perhaps even virtually handling a camera while discussing its merits with a virtual assistant.

Dystopian for sure.
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I think you'd need to be remote controlling a robot that is actually handling the merchandise to accomplish this, which is totally feasible
 
its pretty obvious.. movies the director and dp point you were to look. they dont want you to see the gun/body/beach ball until they choose to reveal it.

for real estate or whatever I want to look around where I want , I dont want the tricky photographer blurring out the cracks

I guess this lens and the R5 starts to be 'simple' (no stitching, mounting twin cameras) with the right software. A good use of 8k aquisition.
 
Pretty cool I guess but in a hey wow isn't that neat kind of way and not really a practical got to have it way.

If I had money to waste maybe I would get one but I cannot think of any practical use for this outside of some kind of museum, trade show or science exhibit. I just don't think 3D as a mainstream norm is ever going to be a thing. Hollywood tries so hard to push it every decade and every single time it fails. Avatar is likely the only movie that ever made it kind of work but it didn't need it.
 
ahalpert said:
I think you'd need to be remote controlling a robot that is actually handling the merchandise to accomplish this, which is totally feasible
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I doubt that would be required. The built in physics of the 3d rendering could simulate that back to the viewer in whatever limited way virtual would allow for. It would not be practical to have hundreds of robots holding countless products for potential buyers at any given moment in some warehouse. It would all be simulated.
 
hojomo said:
I doubt that would be required. The built in physics of the 3d rendering could simulate that back to the viewer in whatever limited way virtual would allow for. It would not be practical to have hundreds of robots holding countless products for potential buyers at any given moment in some warehouse. It would all be simulated.
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So you're talking cgi vs actual photography.

Fun!

How is it much different from the 360 degree view that I can get online? Because I can pop open the card door, etc? Then at least I'd need an interface for manipulating it. VR gloves. That'd be cool

B&H: The Video Game

On some level, i feel like people overestimate how useful it is to simulate physical spaces virtually. A store is designed to organize goods for you to browse physically. The Amazon website and app is the pinnacle of design (with continuous improvements) to organize goods for me to browse virtually. What would walking around a store virtually offer me that i couldn't get by going to amazon.com with a VR ezperienxe option for every product? If it's not real photography of the store, then why bother?

also, when do we get VR combined with Smell-o-Vision?
 
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ahalpert said:
So you're talking cgi vs actual photography.

Fun!

How is it much different from the 360 degree view that I can get online? Because I can pop open the card door, etc? Then at least I'd need an interface for manipulating it. VR gloves. That'd be cool

B&H: The Video Game

On some level, i feel like people overestimate how useful it is to simulate physical spaces virtually. A store is designed to organize goods for you to browse physically. The Amazon website and app is the pinnacle of design (with continuous improvements) to organize goods for me to browse virtually. What would walking around a store virtually offer me that i couldn't get by going to amazon.com with a VR ezperienxe option for every product? If it's not real photography of the store, then why bother?

also, when do we get VR combined with Smell-o-Vision?
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God…. Just imagine the charges for in-game/in-app purchases you’d rack up with that.
 
Universal (Comcast) and Disney have likely made billions off of the technology at their parks, so there's still hope...and I think a 3D Hollywood movement will spark up again at some point, especially because there are now more opportunities (or will be) to enjoy it at home.
 
roxics said:
You guys disappoint me. lol
Was hoping for some fellow 3D movie lovers here.
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One of the problems with 3D movies and TV, is/was that most productions aren't/weren't aggressive with the inter-ocular distance, resulting in a very mild 3D effect(have a network client that had a 3D channel for a while and that's what some of their people told me). Another problem is that we have natural stereoscopic/"3D" vision, so it's honestly nothing special and we get used to viewing it very quickly. So we'll notice the effect for a few minutes, then it's "normal" after that.

I've watched 3D movies in theaters, watched it at home(my previous set was 92" with active 3D glasses) and watched it in a production environment. The most impressive was 3D IMAX. The rest just meh. I've said this before, VR is what most people picture 3D actually being.
 
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