Ex-1 the only choice under $10,000.

KyleProhaska said:
Just don't plan on shooting flashing lights, cop cars, concerts, etc.
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Cop cars? That's news to me. I've been on three outings with the police in which I've had to film flashing lights and not had one rolling shutter problem with the EX1. With all the talk of this online I expected to have to fix a few frames but thankfully I didn't have to.

Perhaps people aren't using the correct shutter speed? Or perhaps all EX1's are not created equal? This is shooting at 1080p 25fps, shutter 1/50.
 
I wouldn't say the EX1 is the best choice for cameras under $10,000. There is a better cmera for under $10,000.

The PMW-EX3!

Better ergonomics, better viewfinder, SDI out, removeable lens, shoulder pad, variable framerate wheel on the outside.
 
Steve Shovlar said:
I wouldn't say the EX1 is the best choice for cameras under $10,000. There is a better cmera for under $10,000.

The PMW-EX3!

Better ergonomics, better viewfinder, SDI out, removeable lens, shoulder pad, variable framerate wheel on the outside.
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Point well taken, but with a U.S. MSRP of $9,990.00, it sort of takes the wind out of the sails of such a statement as "best camera under 10K" don't you think?

FYI

The EX-1 also has SDI out.
 
I would look very seriously at the New JVC700. And I don't know if you guys have noticed, but the Canon A1 and XL h1 have been here for a long time... Isn't it about time they get updated? Canon rarely disappoints...
 
SPZ said:
I would look very seriously at the New JVC700. And I don't know if you guys have noticed, but the Canon A1 and XL h1 have been here for a long time... Isn't it about time they get updated? Canon rarely disappoints...
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If only Canon would release something comparable to the EX1 in terms of light sensitivity and media (CF cards or SDHC).....if possible CCD ;).
 
Don't forget the Panasonic HMC 150. It has the same look as the 170 and 200a. It uses low cost SDHC cards. You get 49 minutes of footage on a 8 gig card that costs under $15.00. You never have to carry a laptop for dumping in the field again. The camera cost me $3500.00.

The HMC 150 the only choice under $4000.00!
 
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Looks like the HMC150 and the new JVC 100 will be battling for the same ground.

I had a play with the new dinky little JVC at Video Forum at Earls Court recently and thought it was great. Weighs next to nothing. 3 1/4 inch chips, records to sdhc card and no problems bringing footage straight into FCP. JVC will sell a bucketload if the image holds up.
 
I think I've heard somewhere that Canon is working on something to compete with the RED market?
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It would be surprising if they don't. Facts:
-Red scrapped their original Scarlet idea after the sudden release of 5D Mark II.
-How difficult for Canon video quarters to call Canon DSLR development division to transfer the full sensor concept into a Canon video body?
-Canon doesnt have upper class camcorders(like Pana &Sony do) to protect their sales.
-It is their turn now after PanaHPX300 & JVCHM700 announcements, and from a marketing strategy it would be smart to come up with something revolutionary before Red hits the stores.

Would you beileve me if i said I dont like speculation, really i dont ;) These are exciting times indeed...
 
The moment Canon introduces something that has the same size chips as the EX1 and CCD, I'm all over it!....gah...now I'm excited over nothing! I hate coming to this forum :P
 
If it's to compete with the Scarlett and its own SLR then it'll have to be a 35mm sized sensor at least, not 1/2 inch. Then I'd be tempted to trade in the EX1 :beer:

I can't see why they couldn't do it. The 5D Mark II is capable of tremendous video. It's drawbacks are that its rolling shutter is way behind the EX1's and the aliasing that happens on fine detail. If they can fix that, put it into a camcorders body, make it so that you can add SLR lenses to it and give full manual controls for say the price of an EX1. Wow...
 
The HPX300 would be interesting if it was a 1/2" camera and could do over and under cranking. But as it is I still think the EX1 takes the cake.
 
With Canon entering video in the DSLR markets we could have a new brand in video production soon, Nikon...

Nikon have to compete with Canon in DSLRs and so will have to improve and extend their video mode of the D90 in future cameras too compete, and they definitely don't have any high end video market to protect. They also don't have the expertise in producing video cameras either but you got to hope at least someone near the right spot in Nikon knows something about video cameras too...

PS: Don't forget now that with nanoFlash capturing from HDMI, all these cameras need to do is output a pre-compression 1080p through HDMI and we can capture it in all its glory bypassing any crummy compression format the manufacturer chooses.
 
Yeah, it could get really interesting if Canon and Nikon would come out with 35mm sensor "video" cameras. It would be the end for Panasonic and Sony in the low end digital filmmaking market and maybe even in the higher end, unless they would do the same which I doubt. Then they would have to stay in news and broadcasting which is where I think they belong anyways. That's probably the reason the HPX300 doesn't have a 1/2" sensor, to protect Panna's bigger cameras. What an overkill. A full sized camera with a 1/3" sensor. You have to pay for the expensive accessories, tripods, jibs etc for the bigger camera without getting the biggest advantage of a bigger camera, larger sensors. Shoulder use is pointless since you can get a shoulder rest for any camera and have more stability than a news type of shoulder psoition.
This is where the EX1 shines. Small but with a larger sensor.
 
Sttratos said:
....What an overkill. A full sized camera with a 1/3" sensor. ....
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You know what is worse though? Those single chip 1/4" HDV cameras, like that Sony something 1000. You know the one, basically a HC7 in a near full size body...
 
A1 still perform better than 1000. it is the worst pro cam I ever seen. look like big cam but perform like sH!t
 
Sttratos said:
Yeah, it could get really interesting if Canon and Nikon would come out with 35mm sensor "video" cameras.
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Right on.

I know that it's been said before—almost ad nauseum—but it's time for the whole sub 10K video market to bust wide open. The DVX100 did it with SD and now we're on the cusp of another sea change. Canon tends to play a fairly conservative hand, but Nikon has essentially forced its competitor to ante up. Just how soon both companies make a bold move in this economy is another matter entirely.
 
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booth said:
How is the HMC150 footage for editing in Final Cut Buck?
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I'm not an editor, but basically I know that if you have an intel based final cut system you have to transcode to prores, aic, or someother codec. Final cut won't edit it natively.
 
Yet.

It may not always be that way, but as of today yes that's the workflow. I do have hopes that they will add native support.
 
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