Panasonic Removable Lens Four Thirds HD AVCHD Camera
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DavidNJ
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Hold it...the Nikon adapter is for a 4/3rd not a micro 4/3rds. The Canon is in Japanese. Of these only Leica M is readily available...now.
However, with the GH-1 and future Olympus micro 4/3rds cameras, the others should become available.
Which brings up daveswan's issue, what cropping factor will the 35mm adapters support?
However, with the GH-1 and future Olympus micro 4/3rds cameras, the others should become available.
Which brings up daveswan's issue, what cropping factor will the 35mm adapters support?
Barry_Green
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There's adapters from 4/3 to Micro 4/3, so if you use that then any lens adapter becomes a possibility.
DavidNJ
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Just an aside, the questions exists will the Matrox MXO2 be available for the PC. The MXO2 provides HD-SDI, HDMI, XLR inputs and outputs to a express34 or PCIe card. It apparently supports any codec you have; now with only Mac support, ProRes422 is an obvious choice. However, if it is available on a PC I would think Cineform 10-bit 4:2:2 is a good selection.
Anyway...I asked on their forum about its availability and was told:
At $1600 it is a lot more expensive than a Black Magic Intensity card and a little more than a Decklink HD Extreme card, it includes a laptop interface and is battery powered...making it equivalent to a home built Intensity/Magma expansion chassis/home battery configuration that would cost just about the same.
If the GH-1 only supports a low bandwidth AVCHD and has a live HDMI port, one of these combos may be essential.
For comparison, the new HPX300 uses 100Mb/s I-frame only 10-bit 4:2:2 AVC and the EX1/EX3 uses 35Mb/s MPEG2 4:2:0.
NAB announcments are unknown, however I would expect a HVX/HPX170/HMC150 sized unit with AVCIntra 100 and a Canon offering, possibly with Sony's XDCAM, possibly with high bandwidth AVCHD such as the Canon still camera, or maybe both.
Anyway...I asked on their forum about its availability and was told:
I followed up if that meant it would be a good idea to consult around next month's NAB 2009. The response:
At $1600 it is a lot more expensive than a Black Magic Intensity card and a little more than a Decklink HD Extreme card, it includes a laptop interface and is battery powered...making it equivalent to a home built Intensity/Magma expansion chassis/home battery configuration that would cost just about the same.
If the GH-1 only supports a low bandwidth AVCHD and has a live HDMI port, one of these combos may be essential.
For comparison, the new HPX300 uses 100Mb/s I-frame only 10-bit 4:2:2 AVC and the EX1/EX3 uses 35Mb/s MPEG2 4:2:0.
NAB announcments are unknown, however I would expect a HVX/HPX170/HMC150 sized unit with AVCIntra 100 and a Canon offering, possibly with Sony's XDCAM, possibly with high bandwidth AVCHD such as the Canon still camera, or maybe both.
Park Edwards
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posted this on the other thread. this'll get you your nikon lens on the gh1. you can choose from fotodiox or the other guy who's been making them for the g1 for a long time now. he's also in the works on making a nikon direct to g1/gh1 so no need for the 4/3rd to m4/3rd adapter.
Park Edwards
Veteran
You'll need a micro 4/3rd to 4/3rd adapter then a Nikon to 4/3rd adapter. No, no effect on the image. People have been using this for the G1 for a long time now.
Mike Schell
Active member
I drift in an out depending on what I'm doing...now I'm buying a camera.
The nanoFlash XDR is nice and most important portable, but expensive at $3500 and using MPEG2. Still 3x the bandwidth of a similar protocol XDCAM EX. And records I-frames at 160Mb/s.
Blackmagic Designs Intensity to a computer is $250-350 and Cineform is $500-750 (to capture directly). My guess is Cineform will also store a somewhat better image. To make Cineform portable you'd needs a battery powered PCIe to ExpressCard expansion chassis (I only know of a plug in model for $750 and a laptop with two disks and a fast processor...someplace between $1000 and $2000. Not that much different than the nanoFlash XDR. Then, they aren't shipping the nanoFlash XDR.
This is SR11 footage captured via an Intensity card to Cineform:.
Now imagine that with a bigger, better sensor and much better glass.
Hi David-
I do expect we will be shipping the nanoFlash before this camera is available. The 160 Mbps I-Frame Only 4:2:2 looks awesome and nanoFlash fits in the palm of your hand and weights under 1 lb.
nanoFlash also has both HD/SD-SDI and HDMI I/O, so you can use it with the new DSLRs and your video camera. The Compact Flash media is very affordable and it is supported by all the major NLEs.
Mike Schell
Convergent Design
Ok, cool. What's the total cost of all three?
aha... I knew there had to be a side effect..... so this reduces your wide end capabilities, right?
David, could you explain the chart?
Park Edwards
Veteran
You'll only need the two. I posted an additional link to the Nikon to 4/3rd so you can see there's more than one person out there selling them. Total cost for the 2 would probably be $200 + change. But one of the guys from ebay is making a Nikon direct to G1 adapter for $80.00 skipping everything at a 1/4 of the price. He said 2-3 weeks so that's plenty of time before the GH1 comes out. I'd wait till his product came out, saving you $120 +.
Park Edwards
Veteran
It's 2x no matter what adapter you use.
This is one product that I've been telling everyone about. I really can't wait to get my hands on it. Even for my HPX170!
filmmaker's gang
Carbonite Member
reduser?.. lol you are there.. ehehehehe that's where you should begin with..
filmmaker's gang
Carbonite Member
image quality is a LOT more than graphics..One picture that explains why the GH-1 should be better than the HPX300:
From John Galt at Panavision
Gary Senda
Well-known member
I've just purchased this one
http://tinyurl.com/b9jf7l
so I have the first element of my GH1 system. I have already decided, I will buy it without trying as soon as it will be available and I'll sell my Digital rebel and my EF lenses on eBay. This camera is the ideal photocamera of every videomaker, in my opinion.
And even if Canon makes an APS-C with video capabilities it will have less appeal for me, because EF mounting doesn't give you the opportunity to attach every kind of glass. I've seen also 16mm lens adapters on ebay for 4/3 micro and this is only fantastic.
I'm sure that I will use this camera more than my rebel, that is always in his bag. Really no reasons to keep my rebel and my EF and EF-S lenses: I already have an SGPro and 15 beatiful pieces of FD and M42 glasses that are much much better than the actual EF glass and I can attach all these glasses on the GH1 .
Thank you Panasonic.
Now I can forget the scarlet and the other 'vapor cameras'.
I hope that someone in future will post a scene file to match the GH1 with my HPX171.
HPX171 + SGPro 35mm adapter + canon FD lenses + GH1 + micro 4/3 to FD adapter: this is my definitive system. I can finally share all my glasses...
I can't wait....
Gary
kainekainekaine
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Hi all, just wondering if I was to use none micro 4/3rds lenses with the gh1 would I need to use ones with an aperture ring? as a lot of new lenses don't seem to come with an option to set aperture on the lens, you do it through the camera. A lot of people seem to be liking this camera because you can put other lenses on but I would like to know more about the compatibility. Cheers
Gary Senda
Well-known member
Only the newest lenses lack the aperture ring... you can buy tons of used lenses with the aperture ring. They are a lot cheaper and, if in good conditions, they are much better than the actual lenses for digital cameras
Gary