Stepping up from the EX cameras

Michael B. McGee

Michael B. McGee

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Ok, i might be a little lazy here, but i just need to know at what point does one stop shooting with the EX cameras with all of the 10/8 bit 4:2:2 toys out there and just buy a camera that records 10 bit(or 8 bit) 4:2:2 ?mbps natively. I mean the Flash XDR is roughly $4800, NanoFlash will be $3500, i think, the MX02 is $1500, the AJA I/O HD $2800. is there anything out there that records 10/8 bit 4:2:2 under $10,000? does the HPX300? what would i get for $11/12 grand?


thanks guys/gals.
 
Answer is simple. Nothing. HPX300 has 1/4 inch chips. And P2. Want to go there? If you have SXS there's no way you would want to move onto P2.

Red? That's probably your next port of call. There's a gap in the market for a $15,000 camera which has variable frame rates with ramping ( going from 1 to 60 frames whilst recording) , 422, camcorder ex3 style, even better lens, SXS, 2/3 inch chips.

Put my name down if Sony bring one out.
 
RED would be your animal and would cost you 30K. Be happy for the unbelievable images we are capable of getting with our current prices. Scarlet will be a 15K camera.
 
The HPX300 doesn't have 1/4" chips, it has 1/3" chips. And yes, it records 10-bit 4:2:2.

And there are many reasons one might want to move on to P2 from SxS. AVC-Intra would be the prime example.
 
smoothmc40 said:
Ok, i might be a little lazy here, but i just need to know at what point does one stop shooting with the EX cameras with all of the 10/8 bit 4:2:2 toys out there and just buy a camera that records 10 bit(or 8 bit) 4:2:2 ?mbps natively. I mean the Flash XDR is roughly $4800, NanoFlash will be $3500, i think, the MX02 is $1500, the AJA I/O HD $2800. is there anything out there that records 10/8 bit 4:2:2 under $10,000? does the HPX300? what would i get for $11/12 grand?
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Don't quite understand what you are looking for.

All of the P2 cameras record 4:2:2 color.

The EX-1 + Nano would record 4:2:2 color.

What you would get for more than $11,000 is a better camera and better lenses - better images.

It is not just about the numbers.

Your image/work requirements are what would determine if you step up or not.
 
What you would get for more than $11,000 is a better camera...
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Ha! Very subjective statement. I wouldn't trade my used EX1 straight up for a brand new HPX300. A "better" camera depends on the useage and purpose of each individual's type of shooting.
 
Well, I wouldn't mix better with more useful.

The HPX-3000 is a better camera than the EX-1.

The EX-1 might be more useful in certain situations.

I am coming from an image quality, technical point of view as the OP seemed to be asking about.
 
The HPX-3000 is a better camera than the EX-1.
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Nope, it isn't. That's your opinion. And I'm coming from an image quality, technical point of view as the OP seemed to be asking about. I'd rather have 1/2" chips than 1/3" chips. I'd rather have longer record times with amazingly stunning footage. I'd rather have a smaller form camera than a shoulder camera. You might think the HPX3000 is a better camera, but that doesn't make it so. And I may think the EX1 is a better camera, but that doesn't make it so. Have you seen the skew in the 1080/24p mode on that thing? Nigh unuseable. I don't shoot much 24p, but a lot of people do. And you, nor anyone, can convince me that 1/3" chips outperform 1/2" chips on resolution. Your statement is like a "my dad can beat up your dad", argument, ha! Subjective. I think Coke is MUCH better than Pepsi, and Chinese food is better than Italian, based on quality of taste.
 
Buck, I wrote HPX-3000, not HPX-300!

This forum has become rather touchy with the recent camera events.

I would hope this is not a better that that camera thread, but the OP asked about why you would step up from the $11,000 market segment...

The answer would be to get better image quality and features.

Nothing inflamatory with this statement.:)
 
I would hope this is not a better that that camera thread, but the OP asked about why you would step up from the $11,000 market segment...
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Bassman, exactly, which is why I wondered why you went with the "HPX3000 is a better camera", which went in the direction of what you just said you hoped wouldn't happen (a better than that camera thread!). The HPX3000 is not a better camera, and I'm not saying the EX1 is a better camera (although it is for me). Those kinds of statements are simply inaccurate. <--- not an inflammatory statement either, ha! I'm just pointing out saying, "this camera is better than that camera" is completely subjective and not true. For one thing the EX1 has three 1/2" sensors, the HPX3000 has 1/3" sensors. That's substantial, but the HPX3000 uses a codec that has more information (and takes much more card space too).

This forum has become rather touchy with the recent camera events.
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Mom! Bassman is touching me! Make him stop! ha ha! I don't see touchy-ness, unless of course you're being touchy by my comment that your statement was subjective. Don't tell mom.
 
I assume when you keep typing HPX3000, you are meaning to type HPX300... as the HPX3000 has 2/3" sensors, and has an MSRP of 48,000 :)

later,
Jason
 
Ha! My apologies... I don't know an HPX3 from an HPX30 from an HPX300 from an HPX3,000,000!

I was assuming we were discussing the original camera, the HPX300, but then I figured Bassman was speaking of this HPX300 when he said, "What you would get for more than $11,000 is a better camera and better lenses - better images." We ARE in the EX1 forum, right? :Þ

If Bassman was referring to the HPX3000, and not the HPX300 vs EX1, my apologies for wasting space! :^D
 
is there anything out there that records 10/8 bit 4:2:2 under $10,000? does the HPX300? what would i get for $11/12 grand?
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I just went back and reviewed the question to see how I got thrown! The original question was about the HPX300 and what he gets for the $11/12 grand... how'd a $48,000, 3 CCD camera all of a sudden appear in the thread? Ha! There's too many zeros in these camera models!
 
The title of the thread is "stepping up from the EX cameras".

I went the direction of answering what one gets when they payup and go to a better, more expensive camera.

My opinion is paying up is the only way to really stepup from the image quality of the Ex line.

So going to a full raster, 2/3" chip camera like an HPX-3000 or a PDW-700 would be a step up. :)
 
is there anything out there that records 10/8 bit 4:2:2 under $10,000? does the HPX300? what would i get for $11/12 grand?
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I read ya, but the original question is the above quote... 4:2:2 UNDER $10,000, or spending the $11/12 grand for the HPX300 (assuming with full set up)... I didn't see it mention bumping up to the top-o-da-line $50 grand cameras! But hey, if I misread, it wouldn't be the first time!

Hey, what advantage would shooting IMAX be over the EX1? :Þ

But of course, going with a 3 chip 2/3" CCD is a step up from the EX1. I have no defense for THAT one. :)
 
Barry_Green said:
The HPX300 doesn't have 1/4" chips, it has 1/3" chips. And yes, it records 10-bit 4:2:2.

And there are many reasons one might want to move on to P2 from SxS. AVC-Intra would be the prime example.
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The HPX300 does a much better job at recording. You can buy an AG-HPG-20 which give you the same recording capability as the HPX-300. That includes AVC Intra 100. It uses P2 cards, has a screen, waveform and vector monitors and is a little under $5000.
 
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