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mattsand said:
yeah, but who's comparing? all cameras discussed on this board are better than my hitachi vhs camera from 1981 (not that i don't love the look but you know what i mean).

/matt
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the post i replied to :) he did retract it based on crappy compression.
i can only speculate, d90 would still kick gh1's ass in terms of picture quality in stills.
 
HD on future models

HD on future models

Sorry if this has been mentioned already on this thread, hard to know as this thread is getting pretty long! maybe sooner rather than later a new category is needed for the camera.

My question is I am wondering if Panasonic will load all these video abilities onto their future standard DSLR's> I personally would prefer these functions on a more pro camera and full size lens.
 
The GH-1 will beat the D90 because the D90 records in MPEG2 at a slow bitrate. My guess is a $600 Canon SX1 would give the D90 a run for its money.
 
i'll stick to my original analysis...no jello. skew yes. maybe you have to own a d90 to understand what i'm talking about. i can live with the so called "jello" from both camera's, but much rather have a reduced amount like that of the gh1.
 
Pretty promising, so far. The lack of detail/image clarity disturbs me. And the banding. It's a D90 and 5D killer based on manual controls alone AND 24p. A D90 Killer based on Skew-to-Skew aesthetic and the ability to use just about any glass you'd like.

Still, there's a long way to go before anyone can call it solid. I'm kinda with car3o and Liza in the other thread: my D90 will be up for sale around June if this pans out well; pun intended.
 
Car3o said:
i'll stick to my original analysis...no jello. skew yes
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as i believe i've mentioned before you can't have one without the other. it's not something you can analyze, it's just the way it is, jello is a *direct* and *unavoidable* byproduct of skew. what you're saying is just that there's so little skew that the jello isn't so bad, which i totally buy and agree with, but i still think it's wiser to look at things from a stringent perspective. there's already way too many rumors and false pieces of information out there about these cameras.

/matt
 
guys, the mp4 i believe you're referring to is compressed at 1580 kbps, less than *one tenth* the original bitrate, it's *not* a raw file. or am i missing something?

/matt
 
let me put it to you this way. you can pick at it down to the last pixel and find "jello" that correlates to "skew" but when I say there isn't any jello means that there isn't enough that i care to complain about. i'm not posting facts, just what I see what I think is and isn't. And i don't care if someone says differently.
 
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Car3o said:
i'll stick to my original analysis...no jello. skew yes. maybe you have to own a d90 to understand what i'm talking about. i can live with the so called "jello" from both camera's, but much rather have a reduced amount like that of the gh1.
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Frankly, it looks to me that in order to get any skew at all you have to be moving so fast that you'd be getting 24fps ugliness anyway. I look forward to seeing some real examples at 720/60p and 1080/24p.

I'm pretty impressed by the image quality. One thing is that the colors seemed not overly saturated. A tradeshow floor is generally full of really bright colors, and I saw on the early part of the video that the camera is in regular film mode--- so we could go even more desaturated if we wanted.

I just think June is too long to wait. I mean, what am I supposed to do in the interim?
 
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So I can use my nikon Lens on this camera ? I've got that 18-200 with the VR and all that stuff will work, right ? I'm thinking I just might keep my d90 until Nikon drops something better. This camera does sound better than the D90 in some ways. If it was cheaper than the D90, then maybe.

Technology is just gonna keep advancing and I can't buy every single new piece of gear that comes out. I'm too poor for that. I just gotta make due with what I have.
 
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It's unlikely that Nikon doesn't get it's act together by June by way of a firmware update or new improved model. Panasonic will probably bring out some kind of pro model eventually like a red one.....but nothing is stopping Nikon bringing out something similar in the near future. And who knows what Canon will do next.

Imagine full frame, 1080p, 100mbps or raw 24p, full manual control, for the price of a 5D.......we have the technology we can rebuild him.
 
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when I say there isn't any jello means that there isn't enough that i care to complain about
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i know what you mean, i'm just wondering why you're not saying it. are you just stubborn or what? feeling the need to protect your first amendment rights? this is a board and we're having a discussion. it's not just about you and what you happen to care to complain about. if i hadn't started this boring debate i'm sure ten kids would be telling their friends right now about how sure, the panny has skew but no jello, as if they were separate entities. actually i'm sure they are anyway, but i've made it my mission in life to try and stop such bs.

/matt
 
yeah sorry, i'm just getting tired of not being listened to. i post the same thing over and over again, nobody disputes what i'm saying and all i'm getting is "yeah but i don't give a damn". you'd be tired too.

/matt
 
Uncalled for rant deleted. I've no problem being an asshole but i respect the rules of this board. :-)
 
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Outkasted said:
So I can use my nikon Lens on this camera ? I've got that 18-200 with the VR and all that stuff will work, right ?
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Yes, then No. You can use the nikon lenses with an adapter, but in manual focus mode. I am pretty sure all the lens manufacturers put authentication in their lens CPUS so that they will only work on bodies they make. So, no VR or autofocus.

The 18-200 VR is only a little faster than the 14-140 that comes with the camera, so you'd probably be better off selling it and using the kit lens, if you decided to get a GH1.

But its true, technology marches forward. I'm not optimistic that other DSLRS will be competitive with the GH1 for a couple reasons, though:
1. They don't want to change their lenses.
2. They don't seem to care about video very much.
3. Avoiding the rolling shutter effect requires a new sensor design. Video takes a lot of CPU horsepower to compress. Both of those add cost.
4. Their primary customers are not demanding video.

So, the competition for Panasonic is likely to come from Samsung and their NX platform, and we don't know whether the camera they want to ship by the end of the year will have a good video implementation or not....

But one can say, for sure, that in about 16 months, there will be a better camera than the GH1-- either the next rev from Panasonic or another competitor.

My policy for technology purposes is to buy no more often than every 2 years.
 
I think you're too attached of what you're saying to the point the discussion is getting pointless. So what, he likes saying the way he did better. We should spend this ammount of time learning more about the cameras than making pointless arguments. We understand what you said, and it's noted. No need to feel you're not being listened to. And, honestly, so what if you aren't.

Don't take the post the wrong way, though.
 
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