Ex-1 the only choice under $10,000.

e.a., I agree with you, there is no better camera by far in this price range than the EX1 that hits the high-def specs you'll need for the HD broadcasters. 1/2" chips, great built-in glass, inexpensive media, stunning footage, etc. I own one and it's awesome! I think you'll love it. Just my two cents.
 
mico said:
I just put an EX1 purchase package together with 10 accessories and the total cost cam to around $8500. I can shoot all day without having to download in the field and breaking my bank account.
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would you mind sharing the specifics of said package? i am considering the ex1 and $8500 is what i'm looking to spend initially.
 
Heres my suggestion. Find the items you want by searching the internet for the best prices from legitimate dealers.
Then go to Sonys authorized dealer site list. If theres one in your state call them up with the list of the items you want. Most authorized dealers can get you the items you want even if they don't carry it. If the dealer you called can't, find one that will.

If you're worried about paying taxes in your state there are ways to deal with this I'm sure I don't have to tell you. But its good to have someone nearby.

A good authorized dealer will get you all your items cheaper than the cheapest price you found from a legitimate dealer on the internet if you're putting a package together with them.

And in instances when I did find an even cheaper price after paying they have price matched and giving me back the difference.

You'd be amazed by how much you can save by doing it this way. You can negotiate everything with a dealer. Up to a point.

Also going to an authorized dealer allows you to receive rebates. Something you wouldn't be able to get by going to a non authorized dealer.
 
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EX1 still Rules!

EX1 still Rules!

To over-simplify... The HPX300 is a nice camera, BUT it's base price is $2,500 MORE than the EX1. It's heavier , bulkier, and uses the technologically obsolete PS cards. The EX1 still Rules!
 
To over-simplify - The EX1 is a nice camera, BUT it's fixed-lens only, it's an ergonomic nightmare, and it uses the technologoically obsolete MPEG-2 codec. :evil:
 
Barry_Green said:
To over-simplify - The EX1 is a nice camera, BUT it's fixed-lens only, it's an ergonomic nightmare, and it uses the technologoically obsolete MPEG-2 codec. :evil:
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Over-simplified indeed, Barry.

It might be a nightmare to hand-hold compared to a HV30-type palm-corder, but still I can take very nice, run'n'gun shots where using a fully-blown, shoulder-mount camera would just be too intrusive. Not for very long, but still...

Fixed lens? C'mon, with a 35mm adaptor (and on a tripod, of course), sky is the limit...

Obsolete MPEG2-codec? Maybe, but: minimal $ per minute of SDHC (or even SxS) recording, and a very robust one; also, with HD-SDI 4:2:2 10bit output, can record to NanoFlash if I need something even more robust and clean.

All in all, there is NO single "shortcoming" that could not be considered a virtue with the EX1!

But OK, I'm not engaging into wars; I'd like to have both :). Still, with limited funds, I'd pick the EX1 first - but that's just me.
 
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Barry_Green said:
To over-simplify - The EX1 is a nice camera, BUT it's fixed-lens only, it's an ergonomic nightmare, and it uses the technologoically obsolete MPEG-2 codec. :evil:
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To over-simplify - Barry, you have a great many talents, BUT unbiased comments of things NOT Panasonic, is not one of them...

I am bracing myself for the imminent flame.:violent5:
 
Some of us want fixed lenses. For a very few dollars I can solve the ergonomic issues and if i choose I can make it shoulder rigged. I even remember a pic of Philip Bloom's shoulder rigged run and gun WW1 filmed with EX1 and 35mm adapter. The codec may be obsolete from a technical point of view but what does it matter, it can be edited easily in all current editing software and the images coming out of the cam speak for themselves and are used as the standard for comparison for all others cams in this price range.
 
Actually the police flashing lights fix file is still there and can be downloaded. The link is at the bottom of the linked thread page.
 
Do you guys not recognize the tongue-in-cheekery?

FrankC said:
To over-simplify... The HPX300 is a nice camera, BUT it's base price is $2,500 MORE than the EX1. It's heavier , bulkier, and uses the technologically obsolete PS cards. The EX1 still Rules!
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I thought that was quite silly, so I turned it on its head and said:
To over-simplify - The EX1 is a nice camera, BUT it's fixed-lens only, it's an ergonomic nightmare, and it uses the technologoically obsolete MPEG-2 codec. :evil:
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That's all...
 
We still love ya Barry. I wasn't sure if you were lurking when I said that since I'm a solid Sony guy and I know you're solid Panasonic. The funniest thing now is Phillip Bloom is so conflicted. He's married to the Sony EX1, but he's having this love affair with the Panasonic HPX300. At least we know where we stand...Right dude?:kiss:
 
You rock Barry! Brining some sense into these forums. Geesh. They're just cameras guys. Different tools for different folks.

A great DP could make a better film with a DVX100 than a novice could with the EX1. Because in the end, cinematography involves more than anyones digital camera, which will most likely be obsolete in 3 years.

Had to get that off my chest...
 
Rough Cut said:
To over-simplify - Barry, you have a great many talents, BUT unbiased comments of things NOT Panasonic, is not one of them...

I am bracing myself for the imminent flame.:violent5:
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ok, that's not only funny (and true- sorry people), buts gutsy as h@ll on these here pages........
 
Curious, what is the defining factor favoring the EX1. Is it in the editing process? If so, can't you convert between formats?

Is it image quality for the recording format? The MPEG2 XDCAM EX is better than HDV, but depending on frame rate I doubt it has an edge over DVCProHD (non-pull-down 100Mb/s having an advantage.). And DVCProHD has 4:2:2 chroma subsampling. Both type of cameras favor HD-SDI or HDMI output over their recording formats.

Is it image quality from the camera? The EX1 clearly has higher camera resolution and maybe a slightly better lens. However these are both small sensor cameras with fixed lenses. Both have enough adjustments to make the looks similar.

I am just curious why one is a requirement over the other.

Of course you could go really wild and shoot on a 5D Mark II....
 
DavidNJ said:
Curious, what is the defining factor favoring the EX1. Is it in the editing process? If so, can't you convert between formats?

Is it image quality for the recording format? The MPEG2 XDCAM EX is better than HDV, but depending on frame rate I doubt it has an edge over DVCProHD (non-pull-down 100Mb/s having an advantage.). And DVCProHD has 4:2:2 chroma subsampling. Both type of cameras favor HD-SDI or HDMI output over their recording formats.

Is it image quality from the camera? The EX1 clearly has higher camera resolution and maybe a slightly better lens. However these are both small sensor cameras with fixed lenses. Both have enough adjustments to make the looks similar.

I am just curious why one is a requirement over the other.

Of course you could go really wild and shoot on a 5D Mark II....
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The favoring aspect in my experience is the full raster, larger chips.
Although the longGOP codec is theoretically prone to motion artifacts and breaups because it's based on factoring out redundant information, I haven't seen anyone break the codec.
 
Barry_Green said:
Do you guys not recognize the tongue-in-cheekery?

FrankC said:


I thought that was quite silly, so I turned it on its head and said:


That's all...
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So it was tongue in cheekery those other 1000 times you wrote the same thing? Thats a weak excuse. I think you can excuse "the guys" for not getting it.
 
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