Park Edwards
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mark me as one the guys who could care less about the scarlet. plain and simple. i don't want a fixed zoom and my machine isn't going to edit any of their files without a serious upgrade.
Panasonic unveiled G1-HD...
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PappasArts
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So these are samples from G1-HD. The G1 is very intriguing............
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_a.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_b.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_c.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_d.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_e.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_f.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_g.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_h.html
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http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_a.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_b.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_c.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_d.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_e.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_f.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_g.html
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_h.html
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Nektonic
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I'm starting to look at the Scarlet as something to keep an eye out for in the next 1.5 to 2 years. I doubt that it will be out by this summer since RED announced that they have had set backs with suppliers and that delays should be expected. Even so, unless they've got a ton of them made, it could be awhile before they catch up to demand. Plus, I'd rather wait and see how the post workflow is in another 9 months to a year and see what early users say about the Scarlet once that info is available. I also want to wait and make sure all the kinks get ironed out before I purchase one.
Right now the video capable DSLR's are very interesting to me. I think that whoever figures out how to put this DSLR HD video Live-view mode and DSLR size sensor tech into a prosumer/professional camcorder body combined with true 24p, 30p, 60i, 60p and both 720p and 1080p modes, in addition to full manual control and a good codec (AVC-HD at a minimum of 24 mbps) all with an affordable recording media which would be either compact flash or SDHC cards, will be the big winner. It would probably be an even bigger deal than when the original DVX was released. Panasonic or Canon would be my best guess as to who will do it first. I really hope that it can happen. Until then, I'll explore these video capable DSLR's.
I'm liking the looks of these clips. Thanks for posting.
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Matt Gottshalk
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What other "prosumer" camera shoots 3K?
Coco Bermudez
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I for one could also care less...I am tired of their attitude of "everything can change". It seems to me that they spend more time playing with CAD renders of 3D prototypes than actually coming up with a solution. Who knows...maybe they will come out with something for NAB...but i seriously doubt it.
Zack Birlew
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Cut to the Nikon R&D department where a Nikon engineer is screaming into the camera while pulling his hair out with other engineers tossing papers into the air and performing other craziness.
Wow, I'm impressed by the camera. It seems like it could be wonderful, and I really like the audio input, manual controls, and option between 24 and 60fps.
I used to shoot stills on the four thirds standard. Four Thirds has some of the overall sharpest glass available, but the biggest weakness is very few fast lenses. And the focusing system on four thirds is a little strange because it's electronic based.
So the G1 and other future Four Thirds camera's might be more ideal for those who do not need extreme shallow depth of field. But it does make me excited to think what the other DSLR competition's response will be.
And regarding the RED, I still have hope that they will make something awesome and worthy with in 5 years time. But the Scarlet still seems like a rad camera depending on one's shooting style.
I used to shoot stills on the four thirds standard. Four Thirds has some of the overall sharpest glass available, but the biggest weakness is very few fast lenses. And the focusing system on four thirds is a little strange because it's electronic based.
So the G1 and other future Four Thirds camera's might be more ideal for those who do not need extreme shallow depth of field. But it does make me excited to think what the other DSLR competition's response will be.
And regarding the RED, I still have hope that they will make something awesome and worthy with in 5 years time. But the Scarlet still seems like a rad camera depending on one's shooting style.
Uwe Lansing
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Yes maybe, but the 5DII works with H264/AVC too even so with a bitrate of around 40mbps. To my knowledge the actual AVCHD specs are 24mbps. But lets wait + see how the native image quality will look like...
ScrollLock
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Thanks for the links!
Unfortunately there seems to be an exposure issue. When you look closely at the background of the 2nd and 3rd scene in movie_b for example you can see it "jumping in brightness" a few times.
Hope this is due to pre-production firmware and will be fixed -- or hopefully can be worked-around by locking exposure at the begin of a shot.
again, thanks for posting! ScrollLock
John Caballero
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That is old news with these types of cameras. A simple exposure lock does the job. You can see the button for that to the right side of the viewfinder. The clips must have been shot in auto exposure mode because according to the literature you can control both shutter speed and aperture manually.
Andrew Brinkhaus
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To be quite honest I'm not that impressed. Colors are weak, too much edge sharpening, looks like video, don't like the motion cadence from the 60i wrapper...Maybe some (or all) of this is coming from the weak web compression.
Only time will tell.
Only time will tell.
Honestly folks, based on the above samples the D90 with all it's faults produces much more filmic looking footage.
This new Panasonic seems nothing more than a do-it-all consumer toy - it doesn't seem to come anywhere near the greatness of other consumer cameras that crossover to the prosumer camp (like the HV30).
This new Panasonic seems nothing more than a do-it-all consumer toy - it doesn't seem to come anywhere near the greatness of other consumer cameras that crossover to the prosumer camp (like the HV30).
Eddy Robinson
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On exposure...
On exposure...
Panasonic's page does mention that it can be limited, so at the very least you can set a max ISO. Now, previous Lumixed (lumices?) I've used let you set the ISO manually if you want - they didn't allow it for movie mode, but then they didn't allow you to control shutter or aperture or focus either.
We can only speculate until it's released or the manual leaks online, but I'd guess that the GH1 will allow user control. The design philosophy of the Lumix range seems based on offering a wide selection of automatic/preset modes, but never to force them. Manual mode offers manual control and the camera shuts up and does what it's told, for good or ill. I fell in love with the first one I used because it offered convenience and configurability depending on which you need at a given moment.
So far the GH1 appears to follow the same philosophy. I don't think we can judge too much from the sample movies...but I'd be extremely surprised if Panasonic put out a whole extra camera just to do movies (over the G1) and then denied owners the ability to manage exposure. The sample movies and ad copy seem more geared to reassuring less fussy users that the camera can take care of that if they don't want to be burdened with it.
Bear in mind that we movie-making control fetishists make up a small part of the market. Many of the general public want their automatic features, which is Panasonic they're making a big deal of the autofocus working in movie mode etc. - because 90% of people think like 'this is a $$$ camera, how come it can't even stay in freaking focus'. I'm sure you've seen many of the dumb comments on the d90 and 5d2 from general consumers and even photographers who think video is no more than some kind of marketing gimmick. I guarantee you'll see some going '24p? Pff, the Canon 5d2 can do 30, Panasonic stuck in a cheap-ass sensor' in the next few days.
On exposure...
Panasonic's page does mention that it can be limited, so at the very least you can set a max ISO. Now, previous Lumixed (lumices?) I've used let you set the ISO manually if you want - they didn't allow it for movie mode, but then they didn't allow you to control shutter or aperture or focus either.
We can only speculate until it's released or the manual leaks online, but I'd guess that the GH1 will allow user control. The design philosophy of the Lumix range seems based on offering a wide selection of automatic/preset modes, but never to force them. Manual mode offers manual control and the camera shuts up and does what it's told, for good or ill. I fell in love with the first one I used because it offered convenience and configurability depending on which you need at a given moment.
So far the GH1 appears to follow the same philosophy. I don't think we can judge too much from the sample movies...but I'd be extremely surprised if Panasonic put out a whole extra camera just to do movies (over the G1) and then denied owners the ability to manage exposure. The sample movies and ad copy seem more geared to reassuring less fussy users that the camera can take care of that if they don't want to be burdened with it.
Bear in mind that we movie-making control fetishists make up a small part of the market. Many of the general public want their automatic features, which is Panasonic they're making a big deal of the autofocus working in movie mode etc. - because 90% of people think like 'this is a $$$ camera, how come it can't even stay in freaking focus'. I'm sure you've seen many of the dumb comments on the d90 and 5d2 from general consumers and even photographers who think video is no more than some kind of marketing gimmick. I guarantee you'll see some going '24p? Pff, the Canon 5d2 can do 30, Panasonic stuck in a cheap-ass sensor' in the next few days.
jamesmallonuk
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Dosen't anyone care about the audio!!! I still haven't heard confirmation that the audio levels will be manual or auto, if they're auto then you have the same problem as the 5d. I also haven't heard anything about a headphone socket to monitor audio. Until these things are in there it can't be used seriously without a lot of extra gear.
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Dosen't anyone care about the audio!!! I still haven't heard confirmation that the audio levels will be manual or auto, if they're auto then you have the same problem as the 5d. I also haven't heard anything about a headphone socket to monitor audio. Until these things are in there it can't be used seriously without a lot of extra gear.
squig
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The biggest drawback with the panny is its smaller sensor 2x crop factor. That really sucks if you want to use fastish wide lenses. I'd have to use a 20mm instead of a 28mm to get the same FOV. Only problem is the 28mm is f/2 and the 20mm f/2.8. There goes the shallow DOF and low light perf.
My prediction is that Nikon will bring out a full frame D??? with manual control and a better codec by mid year......a swing out LCD would be a nice addition.......in the meantime give us a bloody firmware update!
My prediction is that Nikon will bring out a full frame D??? with manual control and a better codec by mid year......a swing out LCD would be a nice addition.......in the meantime give us a bloody firmware update!
Park Edwards
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people and the audio.
alexandroff
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these are great news. true competition will always push others to evolve or fall. awesome that panasonic was brave enough unlike canon to not worry about jeopardizing their video divisions or whatever other corporate reasoning and lead the way...
i'll wait around for a few months (currently happy with my D90) and see what nikon responds with. there's also a rumor of another firmware update from canon for the mark 5d II.
it will only get better for dslr filmmakers from here, and hopefully things speed up a bit
i'll wait around for a few months (currently happy with my D90) and see what nikon responds with. there's also a rumor of another firmware update from canon for the mark 5d II.
it will only get better for dslr filmmakers from here, and hopefully things speed up a bit
few, which why it can compete. otherwise it would offer almost nothing over the rest. besides since this discussion is about the lumix and the d90 in relation to the red i don't think the number of pixels is the first priority, which is my point. people who want interchangeable lenses and large sensors aren't likely to pay three times as much for something that doesn't give them that, while the prosumer crowd who like crisp images from small sensor video cameras might, especially since for them it would be cheaper.
/matt
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