Panasonic unveiled G1-HD...
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This still says consumer cam to me, I wonder how it would hold up being subjected to professional use... besides, that huge crop factor alone would render my stack of Nikkor lens useless for anything but telephoto work. This camera looks like it's a point and shoot not an SLR - right? I bet it's high ISO will be as noisy as the Sony Alpha series.
Although I think the image from this little camera would match our HMCs nicely I'm going to hold out for Nikon's second generation VDSLR.
I am a Panasonic fan boy, but have to agree with one of the previous comments "It's not a Nikon" - how can you compare over 60 years of camera/lens R&D to a company that started making video cameras in the late 80's?
Although I think the image from this little camera would match our HMCs nicely I'm going to hold out for Nikon's second generation VDSLR.
I am a Panasonic fan boy, but have to agree with one of the previous comments "It's not a Nikon" - how can you compare over 60 years of camera/lens R&D to a company that started making video cameras in the late 80's?
squig
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It's good to see the HDSLR competition is hotting up. I've found some info on leica M, zeiss zm, and canon FD lens mount adapters http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2008/12/leica-lens-to-p.html. I'm not sure if a nikon to canon fd adapter will work......but I'm sure somebody will be trying it soon.
If Nikon don't get their act together in the next couple of months and the panasonic has manual iso and shutter control I'll be defecting. The 17Mbps AVHCD should be a big improvement on the D90.
Nikon are you listening?
If Nikon don't get their act together in the next couple of months and the panasonic has manual iso and shutter control I'll be defecting. The 17Mbps AVHCD should be a big improvement on the D90.
Nikon are you listening?
squig
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Just confirming a nikkor lens mount is in the works http://www.cameraquest.com/adp_micro_43.htm
from what I can tell it has full manual control of shutter and ISO in movie mode.
I really expect Nikon to get their act together by summer......or else
The question I have is does it have an uncompressed HDMI output?
from what I can tell it has full manual control of shutter and ISO in movie mode.
I really expect Nikon to get their act together by summer......or else
The question I have is does it have an uncompressed HDMI output?
from 24x36 yes, from dx it's just a 25% reduction. your 50mm would have the field of view of a 67mm on 4/3 and your 24mm 32. this makes it easy to find normal and wide lenses, but very hard to find extreme wide angles. you need to get down below 14 and there are very few nikon primes in that range.
/matt
Park Edwards
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well, that wouldn't be too awful bad. maybe I'd end up selling my nikkors for some cheaper canon fd lens. but this video you can see the exposure shift automatically. same horrendous problem we thought the d90 was going to have, but here to hoping it can be locked. look at it shift when she's in the grass.
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_b.html
edit: looks like on the back there is an AF/AE Lock
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/popup/gh1_movie/movie_b.html
edit: looks like on the back there is an AF/AE Lock
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William_Robinette
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No because there is only one set of focal length numbers. A 50mm is a 50mm no matter what size chip or film frame it is projecting onto. Therefore a 50mm lens on a 4/3rds system would have half the viewable area as a 50mm on a full frame 35mm system resulting in a 100mm FF35 equivalent FOV but without as much foreground-background compression.
So yes, it is a 25% reduction from DX, but added to the amount of reduction DX is from a full frame 35mm sensor.
i totally agree that f/4 is ridiculous but the sensor is actually much closer to 35mm academy than it is to super 16, i always thought the full frame 35mm people use in 35mm adapters had too shallow dof for movies, nothing like what i'm used to on the big screen. and as a former pro focus puller i always welcome those extra centimeters.
i want to see some night footage, that's where the other vslr's have excelled over regular video cameras. and is it too much to ask for some that's correctly white balanced? i know blueish footage looks sharper, which they say is the reason tv sets are always too blue, but i'm neither my mother nor my neighbor. i want things to look good first, correct second, sharp maybe sixth, blue not at all.
/matt
Coco Bermudez
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i see it....yuck!
you're talking to the wrong guy, i'm the one who usually brings that up.
he's using his lenses on a dx camera so that's what he's comparing to. *especially* since a 50mm is always a 50mm it doesn't make sense to talk about crop factors unless you state what you're referring to. if you take a lens from a dx camera and put it on a four thirds it becomes 25% tighter, that's what's important, not what happens if you introduce an imaginary full frame camera in the equation./matt
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William_Robinette
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you're talking to the wrong guy, i'm the one who usually brings that up.
/matt
I reread what you said and I understand now. But I have never ever heard anyone use DX as a baseline for comparison in lieu of full frame 35mm when making comparisons like that and that's what threw me off.
there's no baseline, it always depends what you're referring to and in this case it's the d90, a dx camera, one that i happen to know that he's using his lenses on. only consumer video camera manufacturers seem to use "35mm equivalent" much, and that's not where i come from. i've never heard it in motion picture photography and i've shot most cameras and most formats. if anything we use 35mm as a baseline, which is almost identical in size to dx, go figure.
/matt
Park Edwards
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I was just going by this website where the one line says
http://www.cameraquest.com/adp_micro_43.htm
Field of View is 1/2 that of 35mm cameras: Micro 4/3 cameras have a much smaller format than 35mm cameras. A 50mm lens via adapter on your Micro 4/3 camera will still be a 50 mm lens, BUT its field of view will be halved down the field of view of a 100mm lens. A 25mm adapted lens has the field of view of a 35mm format 50mm lens, etc.
http://www.cameraquest.com/adp_micro_43.htm
Field of View is 1/2 that of 35mm cameras: Micro 4/3 cameras have a much smaller format than 35mm cameras. A 50mm lens via adapter on your Micro 4/3 camera will still be a 50 mm lens, BUT its field of view will be halved down the field of view of a 100mm lens. A 25mm adapted lens has the field of view of a 35mm format 50mm lens, etc.
Park Edwards
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right, we're all on the same page now. anyone have some raw avchd footage i can try out on my pc? see how well i handle it.
Zack Birlew
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Interesting but it all depends on how the footage looks when it's not compressed for the web. Remember how the early D90 web stuff turned out? Not bad, but nowhere as good as people had expected.
I think the D90 is still relevant though. It's still a great camera and does very nice video in the right hands. The tweaks that you have to do to get the video to look really good is about the only weakness but sometimes stuff on auto will look nice as well. I love using the 18-200mm on it when filming outside, so convenient. I really wish there was a way to adapt as many lenses to F-mount as there are for the 4/3 mount. Leica M lenses would be very nice, especially the Noctilux lenses.
But if the video is really that good and everything, I may consider selling my two D90's. Hopefully by then Nikon will have something else out or Canon would have come to their senses about the 5D Mark II's lacking features, either way it's a win.
But the only problem here is if RED is on time by this summer, nobody will be paying attention to this or any other video DSLR (VDSLR), the $3,000+ Scarlet should be out and taking all the glory.
I think the D90 is still relevant though. It's still a great camera and does very nice video in the right hands. The tweaks that you have to do to get the video to look really good is about the only weakness but sometimes stuff on auto will look nice as well. I love using the 18-200mm on it when filming outside, so convenient. I really wish there was a way to adapt as many lenses to F-mount as there are for the 4/3 mount. Leica M lenses would be very nice, especially the Noctilux lenses.
But if the video is really that good and everything, I may consider selling my two D90's. Hopefully by then Nikon will have something else out or Canon would have come to their senses about the 5D Mark II's lacking features, either way it's a win.
But the only problem here is if RED is on time by this summer, nobody will be paying attention to this or any other video DSLR (VDSLR), the $3,000+ Scarlet should be out and taking all the glory.
squig
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From the lips of panasonic- "In addition to the digital camera’s HD video recording capability, the DMC-GH1 features the LUMIX Creative Movie mode which lets the user manually set the shutter speed and aperture, making their videos more creative and representative of their own personal video style preference. Changing the shutter speed gives the videos a special look, particularly suitable for shooting fast-moving subjects. Controlling the aperture is convenient when there are several subjects at varying distances, so the user can focus on the foreground and blur the background – or vice versa."
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