Sony EX3 vs Panasonic HPX500

Buck.. I never thought it was issue as some on this forum made it out to be. I still think the ex3 is the best sub 10k camera on the market. I will temper that a bit to see how the 300 holds up. Unlike some here, my loyalties are not brand specific.
 
acoelho1, I didn't mean to imply you were brand blinded, I was actually implying that about Jan, which of course being a Panasonic Rep, she has to be, ha!, as well as others who were questioning the results of the informal zacuto comparison. That's cool. I'm like you, I have zippo brand loyalty for the sake of brand, I just want to shoot with what works best for me at the right price. I have no doubt for my type of shooting, which requires minimum high-def specs to be upheld for consideration, the Sony EX1 is by far the biggest bang for the high-def buck. I keep hoping for a Scarlet, and if Canon or Panasonic beat Sony for my next camera, I'm all over it. So far nothing currently touches the EX1 for me.
 
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Whats the point, we could go on like this for days and get no where, we will have to agree to disagree, much of what you write makes me laugh a bit and you really don't get what I am trying to get across... You probably think I am just a Sony fanboy but you wouldn't know the EX1 is the first Sony camera I have ever purchased & I'm happy to buy whatever is the best camera for my desires and budget, clearly you are a Panny fanboy so we are never going see it the way I do.
 
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Its funny how the same people constantly bringing up the cmos/rolling shutter issue with Sony's Ex 1/3 are now silent when the 300 was announced. All of sudden it wasnt such a big issue anymore.
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And not sure if you have noticed, the attack on Ex1/3 now shifted to 'it' is long GOP and the 300 is AVC-Intra'. And little emphasis on EX1/3 is actually a 1/2" chip. Well, if we turn the table around where the 300 is 1/2" and Ex1/3 is 1/3", people here will for sure used that to it's fullest in the Ex1/3 attack

I also remember ppl here frequently commented 'EX1 is just good at taking still video, when it pans, the footage is useless'
 
Having seen the footage shot by Zacuto, I don't think I would touch that Panasonic. Serious issues for all the hype of those guys sitting around the table not wanting to offend the Panny boss.

1/3 inch chips? Are they kidding? If they had gone 1/2 inch it would have been nice but still only extortionate P2. And did you see that image when they panned it? It might be built tough, but it doesn't seem to be protecting very much inside.
 
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Yah Buck - just pipping in that I agree with you on the manner of your disagreement ie. on the percieved technical details - but i think for a forum of professionals we should not rush to hint against the competence of others however passionate we are about our respective cameras.

Steve Shovlar you might also want to take a chill pill... whether the hpx300 has a bit more cmos than the ex or not (its really quite pointless unless theres a scientific identical test) and further more id add its pointless overall. Cmos is cmos which is an issue for me but even at that the hpx300 is an actual shoulder cam... whose gonna shake that like a nut?

I'm not playing down cmos (or even playing it up in this particular post) just that to argue one has slightly worse or better cmos under extreme conditions is like two men making wire fighting over a coin.
 
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GuyB said:
Whats the point, we could go on like this for days and get no where, we will have to agree to disagree
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No problem there, let's do that. :)

You probably think I am just a Sony fanboy but you wouldn't know the EX1 is the first Sony camera I have ever purchased & I'm happy to buy whatever is the best camera for my desires and budget
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As we all should be.
, clearly you are a Panny fanboy so we are never going see it the way I do.
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Thanks for namecalling, was that necessary? I used exclusively nothing but Sony equipment since 1986. My first Panasonic "anything" was a DVX in 2003. I keep trying other brands; I bought a JVC HD100 and returned it, bought a Red One and sold it (a year ago, it wasn't anywhere near ready). I like the way Panasonic listens to the customer and participates in the forums and builds their products based largely on our suggestions. I have also grown to have a serious distaste for the way Sony operates their business and the way they treat customers. They would have to have a major breakthrough in order to get me to seriously consider one of their offerings, and HDV isn't it, and an optical disc with MPEG-2 isn't it, and an 800mbps memory card recording 35mbps MPEG-2 sure isn't it.

Sony could easily win my support back - just build a world-class product and cut the bullcrap. That's all.
 
...whether the hpx300 has a bit more cmos than the ex or not (its really quite pointless unless theres a scientific identical test) and further more id add its pointless overall.
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lawriejaffa, the 1/2" vs 1/3" chips isn't merely pointless if you are shooting for high-def broadcasters that require a minimum of 1/2" chips (regardless of CMOS or CCD) to be considered for 100% submission of footage. Most simply do not allow 1/2" chips of any kind except for a small percentage of the overall footage. For SD work and weddings and indie flicks and such you are probably correct. But for HD broadcasters, specs are specs and are important.
 
high-def broadcasters that require a minimum of 1/2" chips
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I was being fairly general wasn't I - and thats not a 'bad' point you make but it does factor more in theory than in in practice. I know its bad form to many to suggest that one's aquisition format might be a little different *ahem* to ones delivery.

I think your referring to Discovery HD in the USA yep? How i think they rate 1/3 cams as bronze, and how the ex got rated silver for its 1/2? I think most folk supply films on deliverables that feasibly work within the stated requirements even if by 'definition' of the rules their cameras missed the boat on some of the requirements stated. So in working practice thats a bit of a non issue really i think - at least to my pov as a producer.
 
Sony could easily win my support back
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- Barry

Wait a minute... in this thread you said Sony have no honor and no integrity and that they are lying attacking liars. But they could 'easily' win your support back? :) Even if you liked one of their products, you'd easily buy from a company you consider disgusting liars with no integrity? If Enron made a camera you liked, you'd buy from them? :) As for me, I like Sony, Panasonic, JVC, Canon, Little Tikes, and Kelloggs. I guess I don't take this whole "who makes what camera" so seriously as to think marketing = lying. I've seen lots of lying, oops, I mean 'marketing' by Panasonic on this forum, it's all good. No worries. They all make good cameras.
 
lawriejaffa, for the minimum 1/2" chip requirement, so far every high-def broadcaster I've seen the specs for require this, not just Discovery. Even the "outdoorsy" type high-def broadcasters have this in their spec sheets (another one of my markets). I'm not bashing 1/3" chips, I don't know maybe you couldn't even tell much of a diff (maybe you can) but unless I lie (which is not a good practice for breaking into niche markets) I have to tell them what camera/format my footage was shot on. I'm just sayin'.
 
Er I think your maybe getting your wires crossed there old boy - 1/2 chips are not the minimum requirement for hd broadcast or are demanded by hd broadcasters. I'm not being cheeky but do you work with broadcasters Buck? You'll find in practice things are quite a bit more accomodating.

The EX for what it is didn't suddenly result in the dismissal of the huge swathe of 1/3 technology from the high def broadcast market hehe ;)
 
I'M NOT OLD! I'm just not young. Allz I can say is try and submit a new show 100% shot on 1/3" chips to National Geo HD and see how you do. Even Man vs. Wild can only shoot a 'percentage' on the HVX200, the rest must be shot on their bigger camera. I think these HD broadcasters are fairly savvy since they do it day in and day out. Plus it's a non-issue... why even shoot 1/3" when there's a 1/2" option in the same price market? Unless, of course, you're shooting under conditions where CMOS would thrash your footage. Then you need 1/2" or 2/3" CCD.
 
forget the broadcast requirements, I've seen HC3 as an ENG b camera, I'm talking Toronto major news channel; (if you have doubts I even filmed that)
the comparison is between 1/2" and 1/3" imager size and expensive p2 vs more than affordable SDHC media, (I can't find any reason to use SxS cards)
I really like the shoulder mount of HPX300, but it wouldn't be the deciding factor for me;
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... it is impossible to get stable tripod shots either, because the bottom of the camera is not flat and it wobbles the moment you touch the tripod handle.
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excuse me, what kind of tripod did you use, $19.99 from Japan Camera?
I can't get rid of the feeling that side by side by Zacuto was a bit prejudiced, in terms that they tried to squeeze all out of HPX and used default settings on EX; as soon as 300 is out I'm gonna do my own side by side, I'm really curious how good , or bad it'll be;
will post the results
 
The reason why is because obviously there are better cameras than the EX that are 1/3 in the view the others. I mean i would use an hpx300 (lest it has some as yet undiscovered critical flaw) over an EX - it would to most probably be crazy not too.

Submitted as AVC Intra, do you think most wouldnt just say it came from another cam. You camera gents sometimes forget that while these tech specs are amusing they are incomporable to the methods and strategies producers will employ to make and close sales for their intent.

So sorry, its not a case of pinnochio's dad holding the EX and saying "wow its 1/2 its a reaaal boy" - hehe.
 
They used 16 of the HF10's mounted to all kinds of things. Rumor is that one of them got accidentally left stuck on a street lamp in LA. Funny stuff.

They played the trailer and some other shots and it looked great. It's coming to theaters soon.

I'm amazed that people are going to film with these cameras (HDV format!). I don't understand how they are getting away with that. Maybe there's some kind of de-noise software or something that they are using to make it look so good. Dunno....
 
lawriejaffa said:
I think you should mind your manners Pete, the mans entitled to his view, while you are not entitled to suggest he's an incompetent just because he doesnt share your point of view. I myself preferred the hvx200 over the EX for its look and other characteristics - others have vice versa - among either point of view have been camera/dops of great skill and credibility. I would be disgusted to find myself acting so arrogantly as to suggest that somebody might be incompetent just because they don't like myyy luvvie duvvie camera.

You owe the man an apology in my book - agree to disagree. Likewise you too Steve Showler hehe should try to lend a man the benefit of the doubt for his camera preference before condescending him as a mere noob for his sake of choice.
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Maybe my comment was unintentionally harsh. It's frequently hard to pick up on the intended tone of a posting whether it be mine or the poster's I quoted. But I do stand by my statement. But instead of using the word incompetent, maybe we'll go a little more PC and say "lower skill level." So my apologies if I wrongly picked up on the original post's tone, but it was reminiscent of the rantings in here of people who are particularly loyal to a specific brand and are too immature to see the bigger picture that it is ok to use different tools for different jobs. Simply put, the problems described in the post I quoted sound like those caused by someone who was incapable of using the camera properly in the first place. Therefore to me it sounded like he was either lying in order to justify his own brand loyalty, had a defective unit (which would explain the problems he described), or was incapable of using the camera properly.
 
Barry_Green said:
I like the way Panasonic listens to the customer and participates in the forums and builds their products based largely on our suggestions.
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If Panasonics really listen to the customer and participates in the forums and builds their products based largely on suggestions, then they would have know how much people from this forum loved CCD and hated CMOS and we should have see CCD instead of CMOS on 300. In the end of the day it is all marketing, Panny saw the success and acceptance of EX1/3 and rollout camera with CMOS in order to play catch-up game. Whether this is future direction or to test market, we shall wait and see.
 
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