Best scene file setting to correct in Apple Color?

Derkoi

Derkoi

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Oks, as some of you know, i'm going to shoot my first feature soon.

We're shooting it on a DVX100 & a DVX100a.

I plan to color grade in Apple Color.

Whats the best settings to use? I've been playing around with the settings so much i don't know what's best anymore. lol
 
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Every time I've had a second camera come in that's been a DVX100, it's been almost impossible to match the scene files with my DVX100a. There's always a difference in image between the two, and the 100a has more scene file settings available than does the 100.

And my last experience with a 100 showed no squeeze mode, only normal aspect ratio and letterbox. I've only ever owned a 100a, and the owner/operator of the 100 had never used squeeze. We looked through all the menus and could not find it. So you may be stuck in 4:3 or letterbox, or creating the 16:9 by hand (in post) or by lens attachment with the 100.
 
C2V said:
We looked through all the menus and could not find it. So you may be stuck in 4:3 or letterbox, or creating the 16:9 by hand (in post) or by lens attachment with the 100.
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Yeah, the 100 has no squeeze.

We'll be shooting 4:3 and creating 16:9 later.

What is your thoughts on the detail level? I did have it set to 0, but i shot an interview and wasn't too impressed with the sharpness. I changed to detail level to +5 and now there seems to be more visible noise.

VictorS, do you mean the master ped level?
 
there's other things that will create more or less contrast than master ped, particularly the lighting, but as far as scene files go, that's the primary way of adjusting it. That being said, don't bring it all the way up to the point that the image looks washed out, leave it around a neutral level if you plan on grading in post (which you should always do really).
 
Moseph said:
there's other things that will create more or less contrast than master ped, particularly the lighting, but as far as scene files go, that's the primary way of adjusting it. That being said, don't bring it all the way up to the point that the image looks washed out, leave it around a neutral level if you plan on grading in post (which you should always do really).
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Yeah i normally (at least) add some contrast, but this is the 1st time i'll be using color to grade, and with it being a feature, i want to make sure i have the best settings to maximise my picture quality.

I'm thinking of setting everything to 0, maybe just add +1 or 2 to detail.
I don't even think i should use the cine gamma and matrix.

Would that be a good idea?
 
DVX 100 color correction settings

DVX 100 color correction settings

I prefer to change color, contrast etc in camera, cause DV isn´t a good codec to post-production. Change your camera setting to get the special look you want.
I,m post-productor, and I use COLOR and Final Cut to color correction. IMO you can obtain same results with both programs, but chage color in Final Cut is more easy and fast.

Here are some pics of a videoclip shoted with DVX 100 original, without color correction. The color and contrast were changed in camera.

 
riky said:
sorry, the pics didn,t appear.
someone knows how can I put my pics?
Help, thanks
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Lol you need to add the embedded html code. Upload the picks to photobucket, they then give you the embedded code, otherwise click the 7th icon above the reply text box and paste the URL to the pic in.
 
Here are the original pics from my first Videoclip with DVX 100
All are withouth color correction (flipped in post)
DVX 100 original + SGPro Rev 3 non flipped
Nikkor lenses: 50mm 1:1.2 85mm 1:1.4 28mm 1:2

riky-68
 
thank you

In my opinion, if you are sure to grade color in post, then put your settings with the most dinamic range as possible: less contrast, be careful with high lights, don´t saturate color, get a goods cards for with balance ( use both white and warm cards for diferents situations ) etc etc but think there isn´t and ideal setting for general purpose. Each situation is different. Only your camera settings and the reference monitor can tell you what combination is the best.

But if you are sure what's the look you want to obtain, then try to do it in camera, at less the most similar to your special look. In the DVX DVD, you can see some differents "Magical Projectile" settings than emule the CC of Magic Bullet. It,s a good option to no touch in excess the color in post, you know the limits of DV codec to make post...

Some cameraman who works with me tell me they prefer to give me a clear and neutral image like the best option to make post ( really a very video-look image), they don´t like to touch settings for each shot, but I say NO, the post-production isn´t a magical solution for all the issues, and is very difficult to get a special look in post without image degradation.
I prefer to think a lot in pre-production whats the look I want in each scene, and try to get directly in camera. Then a make only a little changes in post to adjust color.
 
dude. just shoot cine D, no saturation added in camera, and try to maximize your dynamic range.

And light it well.
 
Thanks for the replies.

We are not sure what look we want just yet, although the film is a horror, we want to have a kind of cold feel at the start, then a warm part when things are getting more positive in the film, and then most of the end will be at night.
 
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