Jeff Anderson
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Didnt Avid skip out last year and have an event in a nearby hotel during NAB? Jannard is probably just building a large shiny red hotel to host his own event in this year 
SCARLET / EPIC swiss army knife camera details announced
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Nektonic
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Exactly. Although, if they can release something 3-6 months before the Red stuff hits (especially before the 2/3 Scarlets) then why not do it? They could gain a large advantage by having their stuff available first.
I don't think that Canon, Sony, or Panasonic will compete with every spec that Red is going to offer. The biggest similarities will probably and hopefully be 35mm lens mount options, which is really the biggest and probably everyone's most wanted feature. The other stuff like 120 fps, higher end codec, sturdier metal body, modular system, and recording medium will most likely be different. I don't see Canon, Sony, and Panasonic releasing as many varieties of the same camera like Red is with the Scarlet/Epic system. They'll all probably want to stay in the HMC150 to EX1 price range as well.
puredrifting
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Since Red has not released the prices of the power, recording and grip modules yet, no, how can anyone give you an accurate cost? Based upon configuring a RED One, you might be safe at estimating two to three times the cost of a RED brain, other than the fixed lens model.
Dan
Nektonic
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I'm not sure about the 5K ones but the fixed lens 3K 2/3 sensor Scarlet comes with "power, finder and media module is targeted at $3.75K." http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23184
By finder I assume either a viewfinder or an LCD. It would be nice to be able to choose one or the other though.
The only other thing I can think of needing is a module for outputting to external monitors and for connecting mics (XLR inputs) and headphones for audio monitoring. Compact Flash cards as well but you might not need all RED brand cards.
So the base Scarlet is 3 grand. I think that even if they are discounting the extra accessories for the fixed lens kit, they still can't be too much more. Even if it is double the extra $750 then it is not too bad still. Of course they've changed everything before so it could all change again.
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Jackson Miller
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SCARRRRLLLETTTTTTT!!!!!
Urg, I can't wait. Even If I decide not to get one, it needs to hurry up and come out. Also, I think I would wait to see how the people who have it for the first couple of months like it before I plunge. Get the kinks worked out.
Urg, I can't wait. Even If I decide not to get one, it needs to hurry up and come out. Also, I think I would wait to see how the people who have it for the first couple of months like it before I plunge. Get the kinks worked out.
Nektonic
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Same here. Waiting an extra 2-3 months after the first ones hit the streets gives you more time to save up for extra accessories as well.
So if the Scarlet hits in late 2009, later in the winter or early spring of 2010 will be the sweet spot for me.
wow, you sound really full of yourself. let's see your great films that are so far and above all the poorly written, poorly directed, poorly acted, unoriginal and generally looking fine films.
snowleopard
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It's all yours guys. I'm out.
Matt Gottshalk
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Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
I disagree. Snowleopard is dead on. I teach a lot of workshops on camera, lighting and sound, but I'm a writer first and foremost. The biggest problem with nearly every indie film I see (and I see lots of them) is bad scripts, performance and direction. Too many indie filmmakers chase better gear when they should be focusing on better stories to tell, and ways to telll them effectively. A camera is only a part of that equation. There are people on this forum that can make a better film with a cell phone than others could with a million dollars worth of gear.
Knowing how to use your tools is more important than having better ones.
EDIT: SOrry McGee, didn't mean to step on you :smile:
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
You didn't Jim, it's all good. :beer:
lawriejaffa
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Yep I know - there must be some kind of freudian element to it lol im much the same too! Equipped to the nines as it were!
I remember meeting the director for Five Eyes Across (Lionsgate horror feature) and my goodness, with utterly consumer palmcorders they managed to produce then get their horror film distributed on the strength of their ideas.
Kudos to them!
It may with all the uncertainty that surrounds the production of films that us, as directors and more often than not producers also, find a kind of psuedo comfort in the 'best' gear hehe
I remember meeting the director for Five Eyes Across (Lionsgate horror feature) and my goodness, with utterly consumer palmcorders they managed to produce then get their horror film distributed on the strength of their ideas.
Kudos to them!
It may with all the uncertainty that surrounds the production of films that us, as directors and more often than not producers also, find a kind of psuedo comfort in the 'best' gear hehe
adkimery
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The thing about gear is it is quantifiable and marketable. You can measure resolved detail, clock speed, megapixels, and storage capacity. You can compare and contrast gear in ways that you can't measure intangibles w/people. There's no way to measure how Walter Murch approaches an edit or to quantify how Roger Deakins sees a scene.
IMO the technological hurdle of "good enough" w/regards to image acquisition was crossed w/DV.
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IMO the technological hurdle of "good enough" w/regards to image acquisition was crossed w/DV.
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I'm sorry to disagree. I have posted this before, but one thing is for sure. The gear you have has deep implications on the way your story is told. I shoot professionaly for over 7 years now, doing TVC's, corporate videos, and occasionaly, short films. I Mostly do it with low end gear, like DVX's HVX's, due to living in a place were audiovisual culture is very low and video productions are rated by their price mainly, and not by how they look. Occasionaly I have the pleasure of working with F900 and a RED. The difference is night and day. I just recently shot a short film with an HVX200, 90% at night. I tell you, it was a very difficult affair. If I had the low light capabily of a F900 or a RED ONE, you can be sure that I wouldn't have shot the film the way I did. I'm obvioulsy proud of it, but I had to work trough the limitations of the gear. What we want is a no compromise tool that can give us full artistic freedom to express ourselves. Its not about the megapixels- it never was, this question has been answered with the Pixel shifted HVX- It survives and looks wunderfull on a CInema screen. Its about CONTROL- Its about being able to control DOF, to have low light performance- anyone seen the 4000 USD STILL CAMERA Canon 5d MarkII video's low light performance? Well, its trully revolutionary- to allow versatility in angle choices and portability. To be ready for those situations where we need to be fast, and independent (guerrilla filmmakers know what I'm talking about- where you don't have a permit, have minimal crew, and need to shoot that all important location set piece). All this has implications on the way you shoot your film.
That's why people lust for Scarlet: people want creative freedom. And by creative freedom I mean to be able to do no compromise cinematography with the tool, for every frame of one's movie. Of course, I'm telling this all in a guerrila context, since this is the way I shoot. You can obviously argue about cranes, dollys, steadicams, Airplanes, car mounts. But you know what I mean.
That's why people lust for Scarlet: people want creative freedom. And by creative freedom I mean to be able to do no compromise cinematography with the tool, for every frame of one's movie. Of course, I'm telling this all in a guerrila context, since this is the way I shoot. You can obviously argue about cranes, dollys, steadicams, Airplanes, car mounts. But you know what I mean.
Luis Caffesse
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This is an interesting discussion (even though it's ground that's been covered and recovered)
it's still a topic that, obviously, plenty of people are still interested in exploring.
So let's keep it on the topic instead of getting personal.
Thanks.
it's still a topic that, obviously, plenty of people are still interested in exploring.
So let's keep it on the topic instead of getting personal.
Thanks.
adkimery
Veteran
Of course the gear one has has implications on what one does and how one does it but in the end it's just gear. There is affordable stuff out there today for people, like yourself SPZ, who want to take advantage of it. Too often I see people lusting over gear like not having access to the latest and greatest pieces of technology is the biggest reason they aren't successful beyond their wildest dreams. I could get the best golf clubs money could buy but that doesn't mean I'm going to start swingin' like Tiger Woods.
The people who are out there today working time and time w/any of the dozens of prosumer cameras out there (or even over achieving consumer cameras like the HV20/30) are the ones that will be able to take advantage of a camera like Scarlet because they pushing forward regardless of technology. The people sitting on the sidelines going, "Man, once Camera X comes out, the game is going to change, the studios are going to come crashing down and I'm going to unleash my master piece upon the world" are the ones that are most likely not going to do jack. There will always be something bigger, better, faster, and cheaper around the corner.
As they say, a good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.
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The people who are out there today working time and time w/any of the dozens of prosumer cameras out there (or even over achieving consumer cameras like the HV20/30) are the ones that will be able to take advantage of a camera like Scarlet because they pushing forward regardless of technology. The people sitting on the sidelines going, "Man, once Camera X comes out, the game is going to change, the studios are going to come crashing down and I'm going to unleash my master piece upon the world" are the ones that are most likely not going to do jack. There will always be something bigger, better, faster, and cheaper around the corner.
As they say, a good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.
-A