How to have full manual everything on a 5D

HowdyDoo said:
I think Canon would be pleasantly surprised with how much more money they would make if they decided to make the leap and merge their video department with their DSLR department.
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the RED is already doing that. If Canon did the same thing at a level that needs to satisfy current pro, indie and amateur filmmakers, they would have to directly compete with RED and give us identical performing cameras for a lot less than RED. Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen.

And I doubt it is in their best interest to create an uber camera.

In a way, I am glad they aren't in that kind of business because then it would be mediocre and would be obsolete in 6 months.

Also dont forget that many photographers have no desire to get into the video business.

Also many of them and other passive hobbyists wonder why there is no auto focus and call that lame. They also dont really know how to follow focus - probably dont even care for it as a skill to obtain and take it for granted.

it all comes down to who understands what is happening with technology and why a DSLR video looks better than regular video.
 
Exposure simulation is NOT accurate... Do some tests on a ruler to check DOF!

Exposure simulation is meant for TAKING STILLS!!!

Back to the drawing board again I guess... well just for ISO/Shutter selection at least :)
... Anyone solve the last piece of the puzzle??? (ISO/shutter control)
 
who would buy a 10k XLH1 if a 2300$ camera did 1080p 24p with full frame and interchangeable lenses....

think about it guys. they are a business. not your friend they arent going to do you favors....
 
HVX2006 said:
Hey deedive,

As of today do you still feel that your method gives you full manual or are you experiencing the same things i described in my last post, that the info 'on lock' is not the info the camera records once you hit rec? Or do we simply have cameras, adapters or lenses that react differently to your method? Just curios.

Did anyone come across a comprehensive write up for a 5D workflow? What is the best way to go as of today? What shutter speed best reflects the 180* shutter angle? If shutter 50 and 60 look the same and 40 is slightly faster than 40 at least when compared to the still frame at stutter 40, could 40 be the way to go? What is the best shutter speed to convert into 24 or 25p?

thanks
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As for shutter speeds i like 60:)
But for your first question i am still experiencing quirks. BUt it seems to me that the setting u get after u hit record and tap the "take a picture" button are not %100 accurate either in exposure mode. Still looking into it but as of now i would have to say "no" it is not %100 of control. Sometimes I set the camera to 400iso, lock and press record, the camera shows it has changed the iso to 3200, when i check the footage i see it hasn't????? is it 400 or something in between? I still find this method to be one of the best for quick shooting. hope it helps
 
This method does not work as you expect it to. All it will do is lock down the look, which is still useful but it will not keep your settings.

The shutter is dynamic and constantly changing to adjust live view for best exposure. You can see this by pointing the camera at a source like a light. It will ignore anything you have set and compensate. Therefore, you never really know what shutter speed is set even if you hit lock.

The shutter and ISO values while recording are incorrect too. More so when you don't have an EF lens connected to the pins. Camera does not seem to read exposure correct if using an adapter or twisting the lens off.

The only reliable manual control I have been able to get is:

  1. Set ISO to 400
  2. Set Shutter to 250
  3. cover the lens, block out all light
  4. hit exposure lock
  5. hit record
  6. uncover the lens

There may be other combinations but the image is very dark. So far control of shutter and ISO is out of our hands.

Furthermore, even with ISO 100 you have very limited control over shutter and ISO. As you click down from 1/80 to 1/30 its adjusting your Shutter and ISO at the same time.
 
Canon is F'ng us in the A!

This is utter B.S.

Despite the naysayers complete manual control over the camera is merely a firmware update that Canon has clearly shown it has not interest nor attention in releasing.

What a crock of shyte.
 
Don't cuss out canon yet. (example: dont cuss at the guy who is making your food in the resturant, lol) We love u canon, but we would love u alot more if u gave us manual. Dont make us go back and love nikon instead. Does take great pics tho which is what i use it for most.

For underwater photgraphy and some video it is perfect. the next closest camera is a G9.
 
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ESTEBEVERDE said:
Canon is F'ng us in the A!

This is utter B.S.

Despite the naysayers complete manual control over the camera is merely a firmware update that Canon has clearly shown it has not interest nor attention in releasing.

What a crock of shyte.
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I'll sadly go along with what you wrote. It's not clear if 24p would be possible but adding manual controls is so simple, it's insulting that they don't exist.
 
ESTEBEVERDE said:
Canon is F'ng us in the A!

This is utter B.S.

Despite the naysayers complete manual control over the camera is merely a firmware update that Canon has clearly shown it has not interest nor attention in releasing.

What a crock of shyte.
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Yep !

:thumbup:

I wonder whether the 5D2 is the first ever video recording device in modern times to be released in Europe with an NTSC frame rate ?
 
- not even that.... 30.0 fps is not quite NTSC's 29.97 :)

No, lots of little Point-n-Shoot stills cameras have a 30fps 'movie mode' too, because they design the cameras' LiveView to work at 30 or 60fps and the video feature is a spin-off bonus from that. Changing to 25fps for Europe would be a major redesign of the thing, sadly - something they're not likely to do for a small sideline feature of the device.
 
Truthfully we need a global imaging standard.

Ironically though, I think that standard will be merely minimum acceptable resolutions and perhaps color space as with UNIVERSAL digital exhibition and playback FRAME RATE will be almost instantly selectable from the minimum of a still photo to some constantly increasing upward of something like 120 fps ect. Perhaps even higher in a relatively short time.
 
its inbetween, is it 100%- no, is it 0%- no. It can make it easier to use the camera. Is the camera still taking over some controls yes.
 
deedive said:
its inbetween, is it 100%- no, is it 0%- no. It can make it easier to use the camera. Is the camera still taking over some controls yes.
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So the plot thickens... how can u be sure? Have you checked the shutter using CRT monitor? Or ISO grain using some sort of definable method?

Im gonna try it ASAP but I just wonder how we can trust other peoples judgments seeing as its hard to tell based on looking at the footage!

We a need a proper definable way of testing shutter (CRT scan?) Or ISO gain ??? Otherwise how do we ACTUALLY know what the heck we getting???
 
Nicky said:
We a need a proper definable way of testing shutter (CRT scan?) Or ISO gain ??? Otherwise how do we ACTUALLY know what the heck we getting???
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exactly...
between here and cinema5d people are tryin.
in the mean time, happy shootin:)
 
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