pretty nice music video with 5DII

i'm curious what difference you perceive between this and the D90, which you've asserted no serious filmmaker would attempt to make a feature-length motion picture with?
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I have the D90 and I know how it performs in video mode. The sensor size, the compression scheme and the 720p size, not to talk about the extreme "jello" effect all conspire against the final quality of the video on the D90. I would love for it to be better but it isn't. It doesn't mean that you can't do stuff with it but compared to the videos I've seen so far from the 5D, a lot of it even raw footage, the 5d looks much better. I guess sensor size, 1080p, color reproduction and perhaps better compression gives it an edge. I hope Nikon progresses with the video application and we get a better one next time around. I am a Nikon lifelong user.

On a general note,I took the liberty to convert the video 30p to 24p trough twixtor.
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There you go. Thank you for taking your time and doing it. So much great stuff is done in post production. I guess 30p to 24p can part of it.
 
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f64manray said:
I've done still photography for so long, the 5DII makes my heart beat faster thinking this amazing color rendition, contrast and low light ability will be available at a fairly reasonable cost to make my moving pictures a reality. I think this is going to cost me about $6,500 between the 5DII kit and the new Imac to edit, but I feel it will be worth it.
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Sure it is. This camera is a dream became true. And a nightmare as far as lack of manual control is concerned. But my major bet would/will be on the 1st one with or without it, as well, 24p/25p vs. 30p.
 
John Caballero said:
I have the D90 and I know how it performs in video mode. The sensor size, the compression scheme and the 720p size, not to talk about the extreme "jello" effect all conspire against the final quality of the video on the D90. I would love for it to be better but it isn't. It doesn't mean that you can't do stuff with it but compared to the videos I've seen so far from the 5D, a lot of it even raw footage, the 5d looks much better. I guess sensor size, 1080p, color reproduction and perhaps better compression gives it an edge. I hope Nikon progresses with the video application and we get a better one next time around. I am a Nikon lifelong user.
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well, allow me to me obliterate your assertion, my friend! :) I am a serious filmmaker. and i have chosen the D90 for the feature I am shooting now. cheers! :beer:
 
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stoiqa said:
...the video could use some work...agree, but we have to bring on the table constructive criticism and encourage creativity(not so harsh)...practice can only make us better ;)

On a general note,I took the liberty to convert the video 30p to 24p trough twixtor.Result here:http://vimeo.com/2799166

To convert the entire thing in AE render time: 15-20min.The clip is trimmed so I can fit in 500mb of vimeo.

cheers
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interesting experiment but as i suspected, it doesn't eliminate the "soap opera / broadcast news / korean music video" look of the inherent 30p capture of motion. converting won't solve the lack of motion characteristics of 24p, in the same way that a telecine process converting 24p to 29.97 for broadcast won't change the visual aesthetic associated with the conventional 24fps framerate.

really looking forward to the next generation of these cameras.
 
Emanuel said:
Sure it is. This camera is a dream became true. And a nightmare as far as lack of manual control is concerned. But my major bet would/will be on the 1st one with or without it, as well, 24p/25p vs. 30p.
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BTW, here is an interesting post from a RED shooter too on the 30p advantages as wider shooting format:

« (...) In native HDTV environments I prefer the look of 30P for most footage since it just locks in with most Display refresh rates better with less flicker (...) »

Read the full post(s) here:

http://cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=25&start=10#p282

As well, on the 5D Mark II option over the EX1:

http://cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=402#p4222
 
well, allow me to me obliterate your assertion, my friend! :) I am a serious filmmaker. and i have chosen the D90 for the feature I am shooting now. cheers!
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And like I said before, good luck with your project. The idea is to keep working and embrazing the new technology.
 
John Caballero said:
It is good that everything is a matter of opinion and the one that counts the most is from the general audience watching the video
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an audience that becomes much much smaller because of the 30p. with 24p you reach the world through any channel possible, with 30p you put it on youtube. :-)

/matt
 
John Caballero said:
The sensor size
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...is the same as the red one and more than three times bigger than most pro video cameras. how could that possibly make the camera less well suited for feature filmmaking? i agree with many of your opinions but most of your arguments suck, with all due respect. the d90 has a large sensor, a pro, 720p, not bad, i'd rate it neutral, 24 fps, a pro, compression is about the same as dvcpro hd, neutral, the jello and the generally soft and artifacty image are the "only" downsides. you *cannot* blame the bad image quality on the things you mention.

/matt
 
John Caballero said:
I could bet you the fans love it because it looks and sounds excellent. Again, kudos to the guys that go out and do something, not the critics which usually don't accomplish much on their own. Isn't that almost always the case?
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Yeah, absolutely right, if you ever express an opinion other than positive you cannot possibly accomplish anything.

Well done for not falling into the trap of any number of logical fallacies. :)
 
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...is the same as the red one and more than three times bigger than most pro video cameras. how could that possibly make the camera less well suited for feature filmmaking?
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I was comparing it to the sensor on the 5D. I have the D90 since the first week it hit the stores. Whoever wants to use the DMovie professionally more power to them. I won't. I already got my investment back from the stills side. I am putting more emphasis on my endeavors with my HVX 200 and waiting for the next camera from Nikon. Hopefully the upgrade will be worth it.
 
LOL you know what I notice with most of these great D90/5DII music videos, they have to have at least 1 hot chick in there to complete the package.

This one is an exception though, cuz the video wasn't that great, but yet again she was hot.
 
John Caballero said:
I was comparing it to the sensor on the 5D
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i know, but then you made the conclusion that it wasn't suitable for filmmaking for, i assume, the same reasons?
I have the D90 since the first week it hit the stores. Whoever wants to use the DMovie professionally more power to them. I won't
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i will, and have.
I already got my investment back from the stills side
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me too, and it will very likely remain my still camera after the "real" video slr appears sometime this year.

/matt
 
The sensor in the D90 is fine but you only have to compare footage and it is obvious the 5D kicks the d90's butt. I won't go into any more details about my own conclusions and certainly don't want to continue the argument. To each his own. If you want to invest your time and effort on creating stuff with the D90 more power to you. I'll eagerly be waiting to watch the results.
 
but for what reasons?
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What part of these you don't understand?: 5D: bigger sensor, 1080P, better compression, a LOT LESS "jello" effect, better color reproduction, NO noticeable stair stepping effect, sharper, better low light performance, less noise, more expensive. My eyes: obviouly can tell the difference between the two and the better performance overall of the 5D. After 33 years in the imaging business I can surely tell. I might not know how to bake a cake but I certainly know my photo and movie stuff.
 
To be frank, I haven't seen any good work from the 5D Mark II yet. The low light is incredible, but nobody has made a good film with it. I'm sure it will happen. Reverie is great for a TV commercial. Everything else seems to be Cat tests and junk like that.
I think its a cool camera, and I almost bought one, but I decided to go with the D90 for a myriad of reasons, and price was only one.
 
Reverie is great for a TV commercial.
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And they pay very well too. The fact is that this camera just came out. Go to vimeo and there is a lot of good stuff out there already. It takes a little longer to make a good film with any camera. I myself won't be getting one but you have to give credit where credit is due.
 
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