16:9 discrepancy between DVX100B viewer in squeeze mode and fcp 6

scipceva

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I'm logging and capturing some footage I shot on my DVX100B in squeeze mode (24pa) and noticed that the frame in the FCP logging window is a bit larger (taller and wider) than how the frame appeared in the viewer when I originally shot the footage on my camera. This is a problem because many of my shots were tight and now unintended footage can bee seen in the frame in the logging window. Is there an FCP setting that gives me the 16:9 frame I originally shot? Did I mistakenly assume that 16:9 in the camera's viewer would be exactly the same when viewed in FCP? Any solutions to this problem?
 
Yes, under capture settings, (presets) there should be an option for 16:9 anamorphic with pulldown removal. If not, duplicate the preset you normally use and check the box for 16:9 anamorphic in the capture presets editing window.

When you are capturing you will still see the footage squeezed, but it will be marked as 16:9 and will display properly when you drag it onto a timeline. Also, be sure your sequence is set to 16:9
 
I'm logging and capturing some footage I shot on my DVX100B in squeeze mode (24pa) and noticed that the frame in the FCP logging window is a bit larger (taller and wider) than how the frame appeared in the viewer when I originally shot the footage on my camera. This is a problem because many of my shots were tight and now unintended footage can bee seen in the frame in the logging window. Is there an FCP setting that gives me the 16:9 frame I originally shot? Did I mistakenly assume that 16:9 in the camera's viewer would be exactly the same when viewed in FCP? Any solutions to this problem?

What you are seeing is a known issue with the 16:9 display mode on the DVX100B. It overscans, like a TV set, so you can't see on the LCD everything in the frame. This is a big issue for 16:9, since in a lot of viewing environments, the footage will be letterboxed, and you will be able to see everything vertically in the frame. Very bad. Don't expect Panasonic to fix it, either.

My recommendation, always have the LCD set to 4:3 mode. It'll look a little squeezed, but at least you see the full image. Alternate solution, hit the MENU button to check your framing (display will temporarily revert to 4:3).
 
What you are seeing is a known issue with the 16:9 display mode on the DVX100B. It overscans, like a TV set, so you can't see on the LCD everything in the frame. This is a big issue for 16:9, since in a lot of viewing environments, the footage will be letterboxed, and you will be able to see everything vertically in the frame. Very bad. Don't expect Panasonic to fix it, either.

My recommendation, always have the LCD set to 4:3 mode. It'll look a little squeezed, but at least you see the full image. Alternate solution, hit the MENU button to check your framing (display will temporarily revert to 4:3).

*Sigh* I was afraid of that. Thanks for bringing to my attention. I'll keep in mind for the future. Any post-production solutions to this problem? Could I perhaps crop all my footage equally based on the original framing?
 
If you crop it a bit, it should work. Just crop a little off the top and bottom. You weren't expecting to see it anyway, so it should be no problem, right?
 
If you crop it a bit, it should work. Just crop a little off the top and bottom. You weren't expecting to see it anyway, so it should be no problem, right?

Exactly, David. I didn't expect to see it. In fact, I dont wan't to see it b/c some of my shots were really tight. For example, I have one shot where the top of the frame is just below a subject's eyes. Because of the overscan, however, I can now see the eyes when I'm logging/capturing in fcp 6, which destroys the dramatic effect.

I know this is a better question for an fcp forum, but while on the topic, is there anything I should be warned about before attempting to crop all of my footage so as to replicate the framing I saw in the viewfinder when I shot the footage originally? (Unintended side-effects of the cropping, for instance...?)
 
i just had the same problem with squeeze. i have some undesired objects in the width of my frame that i didn't intend while i was shooting. SUCKS
 
i just had the same problem with squeeze. i have some undesired objects in the width of my frame that i didn't intend while i was shooting. SUCKS

For the record, the issue is not with SQUEEZE mode, but with the 16:9 display mode on the DVX100B. You can shoot SQUEEZE with 4:3 mode LCD (or monitor externally in 16:9) and have no surprises.
 
For the record, the issue is not with SQUEEZE mode, but with the 16:9 display mode on the DVX100B. You can shoot SQUEEZE with 4:3 mode LCD (or monitor externally in 16:9) and have no surprises.

right, what i meant was the display that the DVX is showing. you mentioned tapping menu to see the full 4:3 squeezed frame, sounds like a good idea :)
 
Jambredz,

Evidently, the VF also has the same problem. I recently shot a short in 16:9 and in the VF the framing was tight, but when I captured it and viewed it, there was a big overscan problem and stuff I didn't want was in the picture. I cropped it out but lost some resolution in the process.
 
question...so what do u guys use to frame when using squeeze and the lcd in 4:3. since it now shows the full frame how do u frame so as not to have stuff outside the safe zone ...does the dvx show the safe areas on the lcd? i hope i'm making sense...i hava terrible headache
 
It doesn't have any "Action Safe" or "Title Safe" guides, you just have to sort of have a feel for it, from experience.

Remeber, that when letterboxed on a 4:3 TV in the end you will see everything on the top and bottom, so in that instance, you only have to worry about the left and right sides. Most widescreen TV's do much less overscanning, and some do none at all, so in the widescreen world, action safe is starting to have less meaning.

Oh, and if you end up projecting your work on a screen, no overscan there, either, you'll see everything.
 
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